• deegeese@sopuli.xyz
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        Actually I do. I was a nuclear booster in the 1990’s because it means cheap limitless pollution free power.

        Except that they don’t actually deliver on that promise. You can have safe nuclear or cheap nuclear, but if it’s safe it’s not cheap, and the public rightfully won’t accept something that can require evacuating hundreds of square miles for decades.

        So wise one, where are those cheap safe nuclear power plants we keep hearing about since 1950?

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          In France. They standardized the designs so each one isn’t a one-off and they trained more people to work in the field.

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            indeed. just order like 100 SMRs and all the problems go away. problem is the psychos would rather build gas plants and fund dictators

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            Those are not at all cheap and are subsidized by enrichment for weapons purposes.

            France is trying to extend their service lifetime beyond what they were designed for because they can’t face the bill to replace them with newer reactors.

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              and are subsidized by enrichment for weapons purposes in order to reprocess the waste into new fuel

              FTFY. That’s a good thing and we should be doing it here in the US, too.

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              Those are not at all cheap and are subsidized by enrichment for weapons purposes.

              they aren’t, and the whole anti nuclear power movement is just people who don’t understand science not being able to tell the difference between a bomb and a power plant. I mean science education wasn’t that great in midcentury america but today we can easily know better

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          So the user above me actually gave the the answer so kudos to them but to further answer your question, there are no actually cheap reactors because the fight to actually build one is so insanely expensive. Where I live they’d been trying to build a reactor for over a decade. Constant lawsuits and legal battles after already obtaining permits and everything. Its ballooned the cost by tenfold. Why? Because of constant NGO pressure from the likes of greenpeace. So congrats, you win. They aren’t cheap cause of the hell we’ve made for ourselves.

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              Yeah, that doesn’t scale well at all. Batteries are expensive, dangerous (so lots of safety measures at scale), and consumable, which is why very few places actually try to store energy at any kind of scale.

              Until we have a good, cheap way to store energy, solar will be a supplemental power source to help with peak demand in the daytime. So we’ll need something that’s reliable and inexpensive to provide power the rest of the time. For many areas, that’s coal or gas, but it could be nuclear. If people just accepted that nuclear is safe and effective, costs would come down.

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                  Agreed. If people truly understood just how safe it is, we could make it so much cheaper.

                  I’m stoked about mini reactors, which should make remote factories and whatnot far more reasonable.