I’m not a vegan. But my $.02 as a cat person is this: the cat has biological dietary requirements. If you fail to meet those requirements, it is animal abuse.
By trying to squeeze a cat, an obligate carnivore in nature, into a vegan diet, either you have to be extremely careful about it to ensure you meet all their nutritional needs, or simply, and far more easily, just don’t do it.
Encouraging people who likely do not have the means or expertise to monitor how their pet is doing, to switch them to a vegan diet, is dangerous to the health of the animal.
I’m not sure I disagree with the admin on this one, though there’s probably a better way they could have handled it.
You don’t have to be super careful. You just have to make sure they get enough taurine. Any number of off the shelf products have sufficient synthetic taurine for a cat to thrive. It doesn’t make sense to get all freaked out about this one nutrient when you trust the pet food manufacturer for every other essential nutrient the cat would die without.
I assume you have a doctorate in veterinary care on which you’ve based this statement?
Interesting to see 10 downvotes for 27 upvotes, seems like people want to have that debate again.
It’s been infuriating seeing everyone’s reactions devolve into dunking on vegans about vegan cat food instead of the overreaction of Rookie. So I will say that it IS possible for a cat to have a vegan diet as long as the essential nutrients are supplemented and you work with a vet. One big thing is taurine, but the way meat is processed in cat food removes the taurine so it is added back with synthetic taurine anyway. Like just read the actual thread Rookie freaked out on. No one was saying only feed your cat vegetables and hope for the best.
https://lemmy.world/post/18691022
Also people using obligate carnivore but not understanding what it means. What is an obligate carnivore?
“Some carnivores, particularly cats (family Felidae), are obligate carnivores, meaning they cannot obtain all the nutrients that they need from the plant kingdom and bacteria. In particular, obligate carnivores lack the enzyme needed to split carotene, obtained from plants, into vitamin A. Instead, these animals obtain vitamin A from the liver of their prey. Obligate carnivores are similarly unable to synthesize some essential very-long-chain, highly unsaturated fatty acids that other animals can make from shorter fatty acids found in plant.”
So, an obligate carnivore is an animal that needs to (is obligated to) obtain some nutrients by eating the flesh of other animals (or those nutrients would have to be supplied in a form the cat can absorb by means of supplementation). Cats do not have the long digestive tracts of ruminants to efficiently ferment raw starch or fiber, but that doesn’t mean they cannot digest plant matter at all. It also does not mean they are unable to obtain any nutrients from plants or from fiber. However, being an obligate carnivore does mean that their diet MUST provide certain nutrients from the flesh of other animals or from supplementation.
https://rawfedandnerdy.com/what-is-an-obligate-carnivore
Studies on cats eating a vegan diet? Science says we need more studies because it is not as black and white as all the people kneejerking about it are saying.
Whilst the quality and amount of evidence needs to be considered in formulating recommendations, there was no overwhelming evidence of adverse effects arising from use of these diets and there was some evidence of benefits. It is, however, recommended that future high-quality studies, with standardized outcome measures and large sample sizes, be conducted. At the current time, if guardians wish to feed their companion animals vegan diets, a cautious approach should be taken using commercially produced diets which have been formulated considering the nutritional needs of the target species.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9860667/
I learned a lot by listening to the original commenters instead of circlejerking about vegans bad amirite. But I couldn’t possibly reply to every comment with this so I’ll leave it here instead. There is a reason I don’t use a Lemmy.world account, their moderation sucks.
The meme is literally about you lol
Cats used to be carnivores back when taurine could only be found in meat, but humans invented synthetic taurine and cats aren’t carnivores anymore
No no, they’re still carnivores.
Nothing about their biology changed so that they’re no longer classifiable as a carnivore.
Scientifically, they have all the traits of a carnivore, and a predator.
You can’t redefine “cat” because we can use supplements to round out their dietary needs.
What you said is like, oh Dracula isn’t a vampire anymore, because we found a way to give him an artificial blood substitute that completes his dietary needs…
… He’s still a vampire, he’s just getting his fix from something other than a living person.
Obligate Cats are Obligate Carnivores. Also, anyone who says otherwise is a fucking moron. Cats can’t be vegan.
They can be, but it cost a lot of money, and you need to constantly be monitoring them by testing their urine at home. And if things aren’t going well, you need to get to a vet asap.
Or, you can just feed them the fish scraps that would otherwise be thrown out. Additional fish aren’t being killed, and you don’t need to be worried that you’re causing additional harm to the cat.
Even granting that cats can be sustained on a diet of substances derived entirely by plants, cats can’t actually be vegan. Veganism is a philosophy of what it means to be a person and how humans should live, which cats don’t really have the brain structure to do. Even if you ignore that fact, cats are (I’m saying this as someone who loves cats) psychopathic little murderers; no matter how well-fed a cat is, it will still instinctively kill prey animals. Cats on the hunt will sometimes kill something to eat, see a new bit of prey, abandon their old kill, and hunt the new thing. Cats cannot be vegan.
Cats cannot be vegan since veganism is a moral philosophy and not a diet, but it has been well established that cats can thrive on a plant based diet supplemented with synthetic taurine, like the taurine found in popular Monster products.
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