• ramble81@lemm.ee
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    17 hours ago

    This is a similar argument I make when asking people if they truly believe in god and the religion they do or if it was just indoctrination due to who they were born to. A lot don’t like the cognitive dissonance of thinking about what would have happened if they were born in India

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      9 hours ago

      I like to remind them about the devout girl that was kept in a basement and sexually abused by her father. Whatever she did to “deserve it”, they certainly did worse, so they should go through the same. But I personally refuse to worship such a god.

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    18 hours ago

    The Russians I know are proud of being Russian. They have an interesting history with many (non war related) achievements. The war with Ukraine doesn’t define the Russian people. Also, (working class) Russian people are very welcoming to guests and selfless from my experience.

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      18 hours ago

      Yes, true.

      I also know another side to Russia culture, though. The Russians I know call working people the plebs, homeless people garbage, and feel the need to express that anyone in the LGBT scale should be murdered.

      These are not just a few random people, mind you, these are Russians from different walks of life I had the misfortune of meeting. I’ve met many Russians, and all of them have this deep seated hatred against anyone and anything that isn’t pure Russian.

      Yes, I know that not all Russians are like this, but my point is that way too many Russians are, and are quite happily supporting all the shit that Putin is doing right now.

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        17 hours ago

        Racism and nationalism thrive in capitalism. I don’t know if those are more prevalent in Russia than France or Canada. Almost all Western people I know think Western culture is superior and that all countries in the world should Westernise. That’s a very racist and imperialist view. It assumes that developing countries cannot develop and become progressive without Western influence. While the opposite is true, Western governments and corporations destabilise developing countries to exploit their resources and labour, which makes social progress really difficult. Also many of the conservative beliefs in developing countries where forced upon them by Western colonisers. Western people still tend to think people in developing countries are way less progressive than they actually are.

        The Russians I have met were sometimes nationalistic, but none believed that they should conquer the world to rid it of ‘barbarism’ brought on by their own actions.

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          15 hours ago

          The fuck you talking about? Older Chinese people are the MOST racist people I know. This has nothing to do with Capitalism. It is the lack of culture. If you have a homogeneous culture, this breeds racism and nationalism/tribalism. It has nothing to do with Capitalism.

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            9 hours ago

            Capitalism is exploitation. To prevent workers from fighting the ruling class for better conditions, the ruling class has to divert workers frustration towards other working class people from other countries or other ethnicities.

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              9 hours ago

              Yo, no doubt that capitalism is exploitative. But it’s a STRETCH to say that it breeds racism.

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          12 hours ago

          Its not a joke if it is true… even if it is because of artificially induced conditions. Nobody argues that it wouldn’t be a boon being born in the EU for instance.

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          But certain countries are better to be born into than others. Like, I would hate to be reincarnated into North Korea or Russia. This has nothing to do with the people themselves, but rather the rules and rulers of the country. It’s not racism to dislike the idea of being born without basic rights.

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            12 hours ago

            My bad. I just don’t like generalizing large swaths of people and places as better/worse. Just feels like a slippery slope to saying “all Russians bad” or whatever groups of people because you believe are worse off. I get the point, I still think it’s problematic. I’m sorry

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              You’re not wrong. It’s really pumping up a degree of nationalism that is unhealthy to take for granted. If you change out ‘Russia’ for other countries you start see the baby’s reaction relies on prejudices on politics and current events. If it was ‘Mexico’ or ‘China’ it suddenly feels a little more racist.