From the UI that pretty much copies Reddit’s in the regard, it would seem that yes. However, the votes are actually not secret. Maybe they were when they were local, but now they are transmitted to the federated instances. From other platforms, like Friendica, one can actually see the votes as (dis)likes. I can see your votes.

Because of Lemmy’s UI, it is very easy to believe that the votes are secret, and many users probably assume they are. For example, I am quite sure the ones who use an alt from another instance to double-downvote do make that assumption. I think this fact should be disclosed in a clear way, at least in the instances’ sidebar, if not in a banner.

From there on, I see two possibilities:

  • embrace that the votes are not secret, and allow Lemmy user to optionally see them
  • make the votes actually secret

As a Friendica user, who is used to like as a public appreciation mark, I am naturally in favor of the first option, but that is only my personal preference.

If the second one is preferred, it means that the other admins should never receive the voters’ identities. One should not trust the other admins to just not display them. In fact, I think “never trust the remote admin” should be an important rule in the fediverse, an instance should generally protect its own users rather than expecting others to do it in its stead.

In that case, I think it would be appropriate that “Vote” should be an disctinct activity from “Like”, and in particular one that cannot be federated with the authors name. Maybe it could be a private thing sent to the Group, who in turn sends a IsVoted activity? This is pure fantasy, I am not qualified to suggest an actual implementation, I just think it should be distinguished from other platforms’ public likes.

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Because of Lemmy’s UI, it is very easy to believe that the votes are secret

Agree.

and many users probably assume they are.

That’s unfortunate. But is it a lack of understanding AP federation? Or a lack of information from the site? Eh, perhaps the latter. Lemmy kinda missing when it comes to user and admin docs.

embrace that the votes are not secret, and allow Lemmy user to optionally see them

Could lead to less conflict since people would know that votes are traceable. Could lead to more conflicts with people tracing downvotes.

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The outcome for this for Hexbear was ultimately removing downvotes.

It isn’t as bad of an outcome as you might expect. People still end up ratio’d, and anything garbage gets manually removed by mods. (The ‘report’ button becoming a ‘super downvote’.)

It’s probably not too scalable, but it works for a community of its size.

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Yes I made a mistake with that when implementing vote federation. I already made a change to receive private votes. To send out votes from Lemmy as private will be a breaking change, so that will have to wait a bit longer (normally in 0.18.0, but maybe already in 0.17.0, depending how fast the above change gets rolled out).

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