No, keeping up with new web standards, security, etc. is a full time job. It’s not something volunteers can keep up with. At that point, it may be better to just give up and build on top of Chromium.
In addition, without enough market share, websites will not test, let alone optimize for your browser. This is already causing issues for Firefox. Smaller browser engines stand no chance.
Idk, on one hand I get what you mean. On the other hand, Firefox going away or being monetized in more aggressive ways will not be a good thing.
Honestly, I think I would prefer the lawsuit never happened and Google kept paying Firefox. Now, if Google loses, Firefox will likely head for enshitification. And if google wins, it sets terrible precedent :(
This is preparation for that in case google loses its appeal and is forbidden to pay Firefox to be the default.
Kyle: *starts laughing*
Mom: You motherfucker!
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You can find a games journist saying practically anything. Who cares? Don’t give the ones you don’t like views.
I just explained why I believe we shouldn’t let pressure from one direction be unopposed. So no, I will not ignore them. And yes, it absolutely is pressure, when bad reviews from several large sites try to lower sales and deprive devs of money they earned.
So do you care about people putting pressure on game devs or not? You can’t have it both ways where we should just ignore one group but the other one is an issue.
That’s totally unrelated to being ugly. Can people with normal shaped bodies not be attractive to you? Do you only get off to hentai?
What people get off to or what you find attractive is completely unrelated to whether it is what the devs wanted to make.
Also, you bringing this up and throwing around words like hentai and incel really makes me doubt that you want no pressure on artists in general, rather than just being opposed specifically to more “over-sexualized characters” or “beautiful characters” or whatever you want to call it.
I meant the people behind Stellar Blade were saying they weren’t censoring was pure marketing.
I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say. What does that have to do with anything?
No one was trying to censor them.
So the last minute changes appeared themselves? Or the devs voluntarily made them, for some reason after already shipping some physical copies and after saying they would not make those changes? (whether for marketing or other reason) Consistently across multiple outfits? Together with other censorship-like changes, such as blood splatter reduction/removal? Unlikely.
This is the entire issue. You’re assuming there’s some horrible outside pressure to make characters ugly, so you’re in favor of outside pressure to make them attractive.
I am not assuming there is outside pressure. Among other things, the articles criticizing games for unrealistic body standards and the negative reviews of otherwise good games from “game journalists” are public. (note that reviews are recommendation for which games to buy, so giving bad review as a journalist is the same as saying not to buy a game)
It’s marketing.
Ok, so in your interpretation, the Game producer/developer I am criticizing tricked me into criticizing them. Then fuck them. They reap what they sow and I still want to express I am opposed to what they pretended happened.
Thats what this thread is about. Why are you even commenting this kind of stuff if you don’t care?
I was replying to a comment that was general. In the first place, the few complaints about Ciri I saw was about playing as a female, not her looks.
Which includes the belief that all the characters need to look attractive, right? You’re angry at them too, right?
Yes. Not all characters need to look attractive. Ciri is an excellent example of a character whose looks fit her setting and story.
I am even more angry about them, since they muddle the argument I am trying to make and make me look bad.
On the other hand, I 100% support putting pressure on Games to not cave in to the outside demands for “uglier” characters in all games. This creates an awkward dynamic where there is no way to verify the original intent of the artist so we just have to guess based on how well the art fits the game. There may be some Games being falsely accused, but I find this less problematic than doing nothing and having the pressure in both directions not be balanced.
The point was that art can be whatever the artist desires.
This point we seem to agree on.
Hell, even still the incels complained that it *was* censored because a few outfits were slightly different, a few with a tiny bit more cloth.
I chose this example because it is easy to verify it was not the devs choice. Yeah, the difference is small, but the principle is the same.
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What even is this? It looks like a mix of putting things in my mouth and making straw-man arguments.
In the case of The Witcher 4, she looks how you’d expect given her age, physical abilities, what she’s gone through, and also the book descriptions. (The books basically say she looses her physical appeal.)
I have no issue with Ciri and am looking forward to Witcher 4. Never said anything to the contrary.
They’re making games primarily to make money. The companies are trying to maximize that. If they’re telling them anything about character design, it’s to make characters that sell the game. I think it’s significantly more likely games with the ridiculous clean, skimpy, sexy characters are having that dictated from above.
I gave an easy to verify example in Sony and Stellar Blade, when the game developers publicly spoke out about their intentions to not censor.
It is difficult to verify what effect the pressure from “game journalists” like Kotaku had, but the articles are public so you can see them advocating for “less sexualized” characters and giving bad reviews to games that don’t comply.
There is also plenty more evidence like deleted tweets. But if this isn’t enough to protest against, then nothing is. So the question is, do you really believe that developers should not be put under pressure in either direction? Or do you believe it is only entitled when we demand “more beautiful” characters but perfectly fine when other demand “uglier” characters?
Complaining when art isn’t being made to appeal to you specifically is the most entitled thing you can do. Play the game or don’t. I don’t care.
Exactly what I was saying I want as well. Doubly so if you are not even the intended audience and are just pushing your religious/moral beliefs.
The Mona Lisa isn’t a particularly attractive woman, but it’s one of the most famous and renowned pieces of art. Personally, I think it’s highly overrated, but that’s just my opinion and doesn’t change the fact other people love it and DaVinci chose to make it on purpose.
What does that have to do with anything. DaVinci was not pressured into drawing Mona Lisa the way he did.
Just to be safe, which part? Those things being what most people are protesting or those things being true?
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Yeah, that’s correct. You can like or dislike any art. The people arguing it must only have sexy women or it’s bad are in the wrong.
Yes, you are correct. But that is a small minority of trolls.
What most people protest against is that publishers like Sony force censorship on developers and that self proclaimed “DEI consultancy” firms, “game journalists”, and other people lobby, pressure and extort developers to make characters uglier.
What? It can be lewd too. Wtf? Art can be anything. You are the one that implied it has to be “beautiful.”
I did not intend to imply anything of the sorts.
I intended to say it is perfectly fine to like and dislike any art you want. And it is your right to voice criticism of the art you dislike.
I kind of see how it could be interpreted that way and will edit the comment.
Art has nothing to do with being something you can masturbate to.
I also misunderstood this to mean something you masturbate to can’t be art. :(
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Clearly only one bad thing exists, sorry my bad.
Who said only one topic was brought up?
point out every single flaw in a female characters design you are setting a beauty standard for what a woman should look like
If anyone is determining their self worth by comparing themselves to video game characters, they should probably seek out help, regardless of if it is Seuna or what’s her name from Stellar Blade.
letting people keep bullying game studios into designing their characters that way just reinforces that image.
To be clear, I am against bullying game developers in either direction. Seuna fits well in her setting and I don’t think anyone bullied them into her looks. Ciri is even better example of well made character overall.
I oppose things like Sony forcing censorship on Stellar Blade. I oppose DEI “consultancy firms” lobbying and even extorting game companies to make their characters uglier. Let game devs create their art as they see fit. And let gamers vote with their wallets on whether they like the games.
Most people including me did not complain about “ugly” characters in games until the above came to light. And since it is difficult to say which games are affected, there are innocent games caught in the crossfire.
it makes even less sense because male characters usually aren’t held to the same standards. it’s because gamers (mostly men themselves) don’t care about male characters…
I mean, yes. You are correct that we care less about male characters. I don’t follow why that would not make sense. Especially, since there was no push to make male characters uglier as far as I know.
because they’re not trying to satisfy their sexual frustration through them.
the “art” as you call it is just gooning material for lonely men
Idk how to react to you fixation on how you imagine some gamers reach sexual gratification.
I guess I can only add that IRL I know two people who oppose this push for uglier game characters, and both are happily married.
you’re clearly not interested in thinking about how the portrayal of women in media affects societies perception of women in real life.
About as much as seeing violence in games is causing real life violence? Sane people can distinguish a game from reality.
I urge you to take my advice and talk to women 🤠
Shock and horror, they don’t bring this topic up. Those that talk about political topics with me have real issues they care about.
Yeah I guess we should just let people keep over analyzing the women in video games, pointing out every single imperfection, every pimple, every asymetry
Yes, you should let other people analyze whatever they feel like analyzing.
because thats what incels do. I’m sure the women in the real world love that behaviour 🤠
What does that have to do with you? If they want to stay incels, that is their problem.
And this kind of shit is what I was talking about in the first place. Now it can’t even be art because it looks too lewd to you. Art is subjective, if you prefer
weird and usually “ugly.”
art, that is perfectly fine. But you don’t get to dictate what art other people like or what other people consider art.
I mean, most websites will not respect the ban, so people will use those.