Ugh. Stop shaming people for wanting to automate mundane tasks. No one’s playing a stupid game here, the problem isn’t robot vacuums. The problem is that manufacturers insist on holding features hostage on the basis that you connect said vacuum to the Internet, so they can harvest (and then sell) your data. Be mad at that, not at normal people wanting to make a boring chore less burdensome.

You’re absolutely correct that Korea (and Vietnam I suppose, I don’t know much about their language) invented their alphabet to make literacy more accessible, and I think that’s awesome and a really good feature of alphabet systems. I can even see why that would make people prefer alphabet systems, since accessibility is super important when you’re first learning a language.

I think your cached vs. real-time analogy is spot on. And while you can definitely come up with scenarios where caching is better than real-time rendering, and other scenarios where real-time rendering is better than caching, it’d be difficult to argue that one is unequivocally better or worse than the other.

Sure, I agree that alphabet systems are initially easier to learn than logographic systems. But to achieve that they sacrifice the consistency and lack of ambiguity of a logographic system. It’s funny you bring up Korean as an example of a good alphabet system, because I can assure you as someone who is currently learning Korean, it has it’s weird spelling inconsistencies and pronunciation “rules” and exceptions, just like any other alphabet system.

And again, I’m not trying to convince you that one is better than the other. My whole point is that one isn’t any better or worse than another. They each have their own strengths, weaknesses, and specific purposes, they’re both functional, one isn’t better or worse than the other as a whole.

Agree you’ve covered some of the pros of alphabet systems and cons of logographic systems, and those are totally valid. You’re neglecting the other sides though, so let’s balance that out:

Here’s some pros of logographic systems:

• Higher information density - you can say more with less, and readers can parse it faster

• Compound words are intuitive - just put the symbols for the two halves of the words next to each other (or visually combine them in some cases)

• Symbols have direct meaning - there is usually no “sounding out” words to figure out what they mean, the symbol by itself fully encapsulates meaning, independent of pronunciation

• Because meaning is independent from phonetics, ambiguity is reduced with homophones, in that two words that sound the same still have two different-looking symbols

• Written communication can still be understood even across different dialects, and even across different languages altogether, if the same logographic system is used, and even if those logographic symbols have different pronunciations. This separation makes it possible to communicate across language barriers without having to learn a whole other language.

• Logographic systems don’t have to adapt to changes in pronunciation over time, they’re stable

Here’s some cons of alphabet systems:

• Much lower information density takes longer to read, most people have to internally convert the visual data to sound to understand it, so it physically takes more brainpower/effort to understand written text

• Wild inconsistencies in phonetics within a language, requiring rote memorization of spelling “rules” and all of their various exceptions. Makes learning new words difficult as you can’t be sure if you’re “sounding it out” correctly unless you’ve heard the spoken word

• Meaning directly depends on phonetics/pronunciation, which can lead to confusion and ambiguity with alternate pronunciations, alternate spellings, and differing dialects (e.g. Canadian French vs. Metropolitan French)

• Learning a language that uses an alphabet system means learning it twice - the written language and the spoken language

• Homophones and hereronyms? Good luck

Also here’s some food for thought. I 100% guarantee you use a logographic system every single day, very easily, without even realizing it. In fact, nearly the whole world uses it - Arabic numerals.

hands nephew some bits of fiber optic cable and an SFP

Figure it out, kid

Is the belief that the logographic system is worse than alphabets (and abugidas, for that matter) unreasonable?

Lol yes. Both systems have benefits and drawbacks, it’s unreasonable to say either is “worse” than the other. It’s certainly not as clear-cut as the comparison between the imperial and metric systems.

I’m not being dishonest, I paraphrased.

Excellent time for the Japanese to drop ideogram/logogram system and have an alphabet like a functional language.

Your original comment (included above for convenience) very clearly implies that Japanese is not a functional language because it doesn’t use an alphabet. I didn’t misrepresent you at all.

“Imperial measurement users” are an “identifying or culturally significant group”, they are called Americans

First, plenty of other places other than America, Liberia, and Myanmar use imperial units. And even if they didn’t, the inclusion of Liberia and Myanmar means “imperial system users” isn’t just identifying Americans, so you’re just flat out incorrect about that. I’m ignoring the bit where you said “[Liberia and Myanmar] are not culturally significant groups over the internet” because that implies that you think bigotry only exists on the Internet, or maybe you think you can only be bigoted against a group with a large enough Internet presence or something? Which I know you can’t possibly think, so I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt there and chalking that up to a miscommunication.

Second, bigotry necessarily involves holding an unreasonable position or belief. The belief that the imperial system is worse than metric is not unreasonable, because there’s evidence supporting that belief, and there’s even a large number of imperial system users that hold that belief. The belief that it’s “time for the Japanese to drop ideogram/logogram system and have an alphabet like a functional language” is unreasonable for the reasons I explained previously.

Third, it doesn’t matter what ethnicity or nationality you used, the structure of your statement would still be bigoted, because it would still be an unreasonable belief that prejudices against a particular group of people.

Hope this helps.

I think ideograms suck because they are an extremely bad writing system

That’s nice, but what you originally said was that “the Japanese don’t have a functional writing system”, which is bigoted, because it constitutes an unreasonable belief/prejudice against a particular group of people (“the Japanese”). It’s an unreasonable position because the Japanese writing system is obviously functional, as millions of people use it to great effect every day.

imperial units suck because they are an extremely bad measurement system

This is not bigotry because it isn’t an unreasonable belief, and it doesn’t target/prejudice against one specific group (other than ‘imperial measurement users’, which isn’t really an identifying or culturally significant group).

Bonus question: If I say it’s an excellent time to drop the Gregorian calendar do I win at racism for expanding it to the whole world?

Bonus answer: no, bigotry targets/prejudices against a specific identifying group. “The whole world” doesn’t qualify as a group that you can be bigoted against. Hating everyone makes you a grumpy curmudgeon, but not a racist.

Hope this helps.

No, that’s a whole new unrelated topic. Any other questions?

Someone with neat handwriting, a few hours to burn, and lots of patience

I agree that driving is unnatural and overstimulating, and that’s definitely part of it. I think another part of it is that it’s really easy to see other drivers on the road as “other cars” more than “other people”. Driving is dehumanizing, in the sense that it makes it harder for people to see other drivers as fellow humans rather than adversarial machines, and people act accordingly.

PowerShell seems like what you get when you combine the convenience and accessibility of a Linux shell with the annoying verbosity of Java

Android is the way it is because Google is close sourcing more and more of what makes Android useful as a mobile OS. It would be infinitely harder for some megacorp to do the same thing for a desktop OS.

Not historically, no, which is part of the reason why English’s spelling “rules” are the way they are

Right? Like “th” is one of the least ambiguous, most consistent letter groupings in English, a new letter for it doesn’t solve anything, and using the thorn character is actively worse for people with dyslexia. Let’s come up with a way to disambiguate soft-c vs. hard-c sounds instead, or make “ei”/“ie” more consistent.

“We’re at a point now where robots can move more sensually than Taylor Swift.”

What a weird fucking tagline on an article that insinuates a robotic dystopian future.

Although there are some weird horny undertones, so I guess it checks out. Still, weird article all around

Back, and to the left…

I’m not giving Valve recognition, I’m recognizing that Valve offers good/useful products and services. Maybe I should have said “acknowledge” instead of “recognize”, but you’re saying something different than me.

People love them because they still offer good products and services, some of them completely for free. I think it’s perfectly valid to recognize and appreciate the good, even when there’s also bad.

It’s definitely defense. The amount of money spent and the number of people involved is insane, it guarantees incompetence at best, corruption at worst.