• @Zerush@lemmy.ml
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    12 years ago

    Helio. I know, it’s expensive, but only one time+ among of the substitutes. Paparte even because of this, it’s only a fraction of the cost of a normal plane andthe fuel it use in every flight.

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      2 years ago

      Couldn’t we somehow engineer a more modern airship that uses the much more available hydrogen instead, but with proper measures against the outbreak of fires?

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        32 years ago

        Too dangerous, I wouldn’t want to travel in a hydrogen-filled contraption through a lighning storm. Hydrogen is an excellent fuel and for this reason it is used as such, precisely because of its explosive flammability, which must be stored in thick-walled tanks due to its high volatility, which escapes through normal thin-walled tanks. With helium there are no problems of this type, although it is not as light as Hydrogen, it offers enough buoyancy for projects of this type, which is why it is used in current weather balloons and in these famous GoodYear airships and others. Helium is completely inert and non-flammable.

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          2 years ago

          which is why it is used in current weather balloons

          Actually I think people use both hydrogen balloons and helium balloons for that.

          The problem with helium is that it’s already very scarce, despite having very important uses across many fields and once it’s gone it’s gone (unless maybe if somewhere in the future we begin using nuclear fusion, I guess)

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            12 years ago

            Helium is by no means a scarce element, it’s after Hidrogen the second most abundant in the universe, 24% of the total element mass. It is not as abundant on Earth and has to be obtained from natural gas, where it appears in different combinations. It can not be obtained with other methods, such as Hydrogen, it’s not renevable, so its price is higher.

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              32 years ago

              Helium is by no means a scarce element, it’s after Hidrogen the second most abundant in the universe, 24% of the total element mass. It is not as abundant on Earth and has to be obtained from natural gas

              Scarce for us terrestrians that don’t live in a futuristic sci-fi world where we go around harvesting resources from planets.

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                12 years ago

                Rare does not mean that it is difficult to obtain, or that there is little on Earth. It is not a fuel that is spent when you use it, like oil or coal. It is an inert, clean element, it is not toxic or polluting, it can be stored well and it is only used to give buoyancy to balloons and airships. For this use there is more than enough, without having to enter the Sci Fi. Is it more expensive and difficult to obtain than Hydrogen? Yes, but this with the savings in energy and fuel using it for airships instead of Keosene for so many airplanes and private jets, this is irrelevant. The energy expenditure of a blimp does not even reach 10% of that of a small plane, despite the high price of Helium. Compared to the big ships, which can also be replaced by airships for transport, the difference is even greater, in these cases the airships are even faster