• FauxLiving@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    He said it

    That not misinformation…

    It is misinformation if the things he said are not true.

    So, let’s look into the claims.

    Here’s the TOS:

    https://www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/

    There is nothing about root level access.

    In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.

    So, to be clear:

    There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong.


    This is what happens when you simply read social media and repeat what you’ve heard without checking to see if you’re spreading misinformation.

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      I’m really curious on what actual specific steps you took to “check”. It took me about a few minutes of reading to find it.

      https://www.take2games.com/privacy/en-US/#3-sources-of-information

      We also may use internal and third-party anti-cheat technologies to detect and prevent cheating within our Services.

      Furthermore, https://www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/#10-availability specifically section 10.2

      We may provide patches, updates, or upgrades to the Services, Virtual Items, Content, or your Account that may be required for you to continue using the Services, including automatic or “in the background” updates without notice to you.

      I hope the people who upvoted your misinformation are able to see this, please think of your actions and conduct before posting multiple comments defending a company if you’re worried about misinformation.

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        1 day ago

        That… doesn’t actually rebut anything FauxLiving said. That they may use anti-cheat, and that they may have automatic updates, aren’t the claims in question here.

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          1 day ago

          Ummm those two would statements would in fact allow them to install a “anticheat” rookit/kernel program at any time without your knowledge…

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            1 day ago

            Sincerely thank you for commenting. I was completely dumbfounded with @Warl0k3@lemmy.world’s statement and wasn’t sure if I wanted to waste my time with a response if it was just trolling.

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              If that’s all it takes to dumbfound you, I am profoundly jealous. Anyways.

              Those aren’t the claims fauxliving was making. They claim that there is no indication of taketwo requesting root level access and they’re strictly right, there is no language requesting that permission (or equivalents) (but I doubt that would matter to TakeTwo since they could argue it’s implicit)

              They then claim that there has been no change to the game to include kernel level anticheat, which is also true.

              What you presented does nothing to substantiate or refute those claims, just the claims made in the OP. Fauxliving’s comment was arguably off base, sure, but substantially their points are correct.

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                “What you presented does nothing to substantiate or refute”

                There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit

                We also may use internal and third-party anti-cheat technologies

                prepare to be even more profoundly jealous because I’m profoundly dumbfounded at this point.

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                  1 day ago

                  I don’t really know how else to phrase this, but I’ll give it a shot anyways: Anti-cheat isn’t intrinsically linked to root level permissions. It’s inclusion in a section about data sources compounds that concept. That is the claim that you are now making, and which isn’t supported by the section you’ve cited.

                  • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
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                    It is also worth nothing that no Borderlands games use anti-cheat, much less kernel anti-cheat. I’d even go as far as to say that no Gearbox, Take2 or 2k Games use kernel anti-cheat.

                    This is boilerplate language for games which include an online service component. Publishers often use the same Terms of Service across all of their games, so they include language that is often irrelevant for any specific game.

                    The only thing that’s different about this is that there are a bunch of bored people who consume engagement farming content, which often make outrageous claims in order to earn money from engagement farming. This “story” is not an actual story, but it is a great example of how a mob can be summoned with some creative writing and a credulous audience.