Today’s decision in Free Speech Coalition v. Paxton is a direct blow to the free speech rights of adults. The Court ruled that “no person—adult or child—has a First Amendment right to access speech that is obscene to minors without first submitting proof of age.” This ruling allows states to enact onerous age-verification rules that will block adults from accessing lawful speech, curtail their ability to be anonymous, and jeopardize their data security and privacy. These are real and immense burdens on adults, and the Court was wrong to ignore them in upholding Texas’ law.
Are there graphic gore and violence websites that kids are frequenting by the millions daily?
Yes. Youtube. Cable TV. Every streaming service.
All have age warnings and restrictions.
So does pornhub.
Warning yes, restrictions no.
I’d love to hear from the 3 downvotes on why they downvoted me here lol. Do they think that pornhub does have age verification and restricts those who haven’t verified their age?
YouTube, Netflix, Hulu, Peacock, Disney+, Max, etc. And that’s before we get into the bad faith false equivalence of comparing violence to nudity and sexuality. One is a natural and beautiful part of life, the other is literally violence.
And also huge lols at saying porn is just nudity and sexuality
Those all have age rating systems in place lol.
Wow, you didn’t just move the goalpost, you switched the sport. And “lol”, I guess?
How do you figure? The argument is that porn shouldn’t have age restrictions cause violence on tv and streaming media doesn’t…….but I pointed out that they do have age restrictions.
How is that “changing the sport”? What did you think we were discussing?
The question was answered and you changed the topic. This is called a “moving the goalpost” fallacy. Looking at your comment history, it’s abundantly clear that I have inadvertently fed a troll, so that’s on me.
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I could point out how content on YouTube is absolutely not rated or restricted, or share anecdotes about some of the shocking things that have shown up on the grandkids phones, but none of that matters because it’s clear that you are staunchly authoritarian.
We get it. You get think people shouldn’t be trusted to raise or monitor their own kids and need Big Brother to infringe on the expressive rights of everyone else as a result. That these “liberal perverts” lose what little privacy they have left as a result is the cherry on top, I’m sure. Everyone here knows where you are coming from, what you believe, and what you want. It’s no mystery. There isn’t some mystical angle that we’ve all somehow overlooked. The disconnect is, the things you are trying to argue in favor of are deeply unethical, oppressive, irrational, and evil. Why are you even on Lemmy if you hold such perverse totalitarian fantasies in your heart? The mere existence of this software is a monument against such sick ideology.
YouTube absolutely has age restricted content, what are you talking about?
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2802167?hl=en
Did you really not know this was a thing? I can’t even listen to half of the music I like on YouTube without being signed in because of age restrictions lol.
You think I’m authoritarian? You could not be more incorrect if you tried lol. I think parents should be more responsible for the content their kids consume and what they do - but I also believe that age restrictions on content should exist to prevent access when even the best of parents can’t be there to stop it. I’m one of the few people on Lemmy who actually argues FOR free speech and less censorship lol
Why does scale matter? If it was only 50k kids daily would it change your mind?
Putting it in the same perspective as the number that access porn.
So it’s a scale problem for you? What number is acceptable?
No, it’s not just a scale problem, but to even suggest that kids looking at graphic violence videos on YouTube etc is as prevalent as or as big of an issue as kids looking at porn is absurd. There are studies galore linking the consumption of porn in children to all sorts of behavioural issue, and studies showing that it’s increasing dramatically.
I have nothing against porn, I don’t think it should be censored or banned or anything - but age restrictions done properly (ie securely and privately) are long overdue.
And before you say it - yes, I think the same should apply to other not-suitable-for-kids content like extreme violence, vulgarity, etc. The difference is that all the streaming sites and other content hostels already have age verification. You can’t just click “yes I’m over 18” and watch R18+ or X rated content.
This does not exist.
It is claimed to exist, but you can’t name a single technology that guarantees security and privacy from the user to the source of the verification.
Are you willing to trust pornhub with your personal information? Xhamster? Kink.com? Motherless? Draft porn? PervertTube? And on, and on, and on.
You trust that every, single, individual, porn site is going to have both the know how, and scruples, to keep this data 100% secure and private?
Because I don’t even trust that a site can keep my credit card information private and secure, as has been shown to be a good bet over and over again despite there being a plethora of laws on how to handle such information.
It doesn’t exist, but that is what some are suggesting and hoping is going to be made with these laws being passed. It would be a really good thing for the internet and websites/apps as a whole tbh if a system like this is made, and it’s not like it would be difficult.
The sites wouldnt need your information, they would just verify that the person attempting to access the site is authenticated as being 18+.
How do you verify someone is 18 without your information?
By verifying with a central age verification system.
What has been thrown around, and what should hopefully be the solution, is that a government agency (as a last resort) or a independent trusted authority makes a system where you create an account and verify your age with your documents with them. Then they have public APIs for sites to hit - you give the site a unique key (preferably you would generate individual keys that are tied to your account for every site) and all that site does is hit that API going “Is the person that this key belongs to 18+?”, and the response is yes or no.
Simple, secure, private. The site you’re accessing doesn’t know who you are and doesn’t get your details. The age verification site also doesn’t necessarily know the site you were using, and this should not be logged either.
Movies, books, and video games all have a decently sizeable amount, yea. Especially the Bible.
Movies already have ratings systems and age checks.
Books at book stores don’t generally have graphic violence and gore.
The bible is just text, there’s no gore or violence that kids can see.
What’s funny is the Bible is worse than most of the books that are banned as far as depravity goes.
Lol.
You realize words still count right?
I repeat the above.
No, words don’t count as graphic violence lol. Graphic violence is defined as being in visual media, not written.
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There’s no point. Someone that posts what you did isn’t going to listen and admit they were wrong, so I’m not being drawn into a shouting match :)
if that’s the case, I hope you fall down the stairs and snap your tibia out of your skin and have to lay in your own pooling blood crying out in pain and anguish waiting for someone to call for help. only to have waited so long that you throw up on yourself and your gaping wound whilst you go into shock from blood loss.
how’s that make you feel?
You think reading that would make me feel the same as watching a video of that happening to someone?
nope.
you clearly lack the imagination and intelligence.
Im sorry but no amount of text descriptions of gore or extreme violence can even remotely compare to photos or video of said gore or violence. Ever.
Thinking it can demonstrates a lack of intelligence.
…seriously? Go read The Boys or Chainsaw Man or Gantz
Nah bro didn’t you see his other reply? Words aren’t graphic in any way ever. It’s in the word. Graphic. There’s no graphics in books, it don’t have a graphics card!
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