The most effective policies are often not fancy ones. For example, if you want to fix housing isolation, you do not isolate a few houses very well, but you try to improve the least isolated houses and get them all to decent levels.
Getting everyone off meat will not happen. But if you want to reduce the amount of meat eaten the most, then you want to try to get meat eaters to consume less meat. Not a few people to consume none.
The most effective policies are often not fancy ones. For example, if you want to fix worker exploitation, you do not establish socialism in a couple countries, but you try to improve labor laws in a few most exploited places.
Communism will not happen. But if you want to reduce the amount of exploitation the most, then you want to try to get capitalists to exploit workers a bit less. Not a few people to join a socialist party.
This is not the way to fix anything. It’s a temporary band-aid on a problem (industrialized mass murder on a scale which makes all other human atrocities combined seem insignificant), that will only get worse with time if not kept in check.
I agree with you that individual veganism is not the (full) solution. And I even agree with you that reducing meat consumption is a good (albeit small) stepping stone towards the solution (kinda like getting someone left-of-center elected, or divesting from Israel financially). However, the full solution is banning animal agriculture entirely.
The fastest way to achieve that is to make alternatives to meat as good and affordable as possible so that people will choose them over meat for selfish reasons.
Similar to how green energy is now a serious cost contender to coal.
I don’t give a shit about eating meat, I care about murdering individuals I love. You can’t trick people into not committing atrocity. It will never work. They’ve already been thoroughly tricked by someone much more clever and devious than we. That’s not a contest we can win. The only thing we have are our principles. It worked on us, it has worked on others, and it will continue to work.
The most effective policies are often not fancy ones. For example, if you want to fix housing isolation, you do not isolate a few houses very well, but you try to improve the least isolated houses and get them all to decent levels.
Getting everyone off meat will not happen. But if you want to reduce the amount of meat eaten the most, then you want to try to get meat eaters to consume less meat. Not a few people to consume none.
This is not the way to fix anything. It’s a temporary band-aid on a problem (industrialized mass murder on a scale which makes all other human atrocities combined seem insignificant), that will only get worse with time if not kept in check.
I agree with you that individual veganism is not the (full) solution. And I even agree with you that reducing meat consumption is a good (albeit small) stepping stone towards the solution (kinda like getting someone left-of-center elected, or divesting from Israel financially). However, the full solution is banning animal agriculture entirely.
The fastest way to achieve that is to make alternatives to meat as good and affordable as possible so that people will choose them over meat for selfish reasons.
Similar to how green energy is now a serious cost contender to coal.
I don’t give a shit about eating meat, I care about murdering individuals I love. You can’t trick people into not committing atrocity. It will never work. They’ve already been thoroughly tricked by someone much more clever and devious than we. That’s not a contest we can win. The only thing we have are our principles. It worked on us, it has worked on others, and it will continue to work.