I don’t see why Deng is relevant here when this is against all branches of Marxism
They’re calling us Dengists because most of us support China (even after Deng’s post-Mao market reforms) as a socialist project, but since modern China is one of the Great Evil Authoritarian states by their reckoning, the term is meant as a pejorative. It’s basically “tankie” but with anti-Chinese characteristics.
I’m sure you’re right, just wanted to tease the fact that they are just being anti-communist in general out. Hiding behind being “anti-Dengist” is a pejorative of convenience for them, but all of their issues apply to Marxism broadly.
Obviously as an anarchist I’m not a Marxist, no anarchists are. Plenty of us opt for anarchy, mutualism, communalism, municipalism, etc. We’re socialists who disagree with Marx’s program. Deng on the other hand is just a run of the mill capitalist making his followers enemies of the working class.
The fact that you’re centering Marxism on c/anarchism is a bad look for this project. Not everything has to revolve around your fave bearded white guy. If we can’t talk about anarchism here without needing to soothe Marxists’ egos (Dengists if we’re being honest), why maintain an anarchist forum?
I didn’t say Marxists were anarchists or anarchists were Marxists. I stated that your issues with “Dengists” are just issues you have with Marxists coated in a less left-punchy way. Deng himself was a Marxist-Leninist working with the struggles brought about from the Gang of Four and the Cultural Revolution, socialism is still the mode of production in the PRC.
As for “centering Marxism,” I was addressing your complaints of being dogpiled on by Marxists on an instance dominated by Marxists. There are many anarchist users on Lemmy.ml, and they share their views as well without resorting to thinly-veiled attacks on Marxists.
Apparently these anarchists are in hiding because all I see is Dengists in every direction.
If there are really anarchists reading this, perhaps scared to speak up because you don’t want to cross the Dengists who clearly control the discourse here:
I didn’t write this essay for spiteful Marxists; rather, it’s a heartfelt tribute to young anarchists, urging you to persist in your pursuit of anarchy and resist the pressure from these patronising bores to conform to their conservative values. I see so many of you expressing frustration over Marxists mocking your positions. This essay serves as a form of prefiguration, encouraging newer anarchists to envision a more creative and liberating path than the all-too-common ancom to authcom pipeline.
We all need to stop centering the egos of Marxists in everything we do.
You’ve been attacking “Dengists” for standard Marxist positions. Further, again, nothing here is about “centering egos,” I’m explaining why your thinly-veiled hit piece on Marxists is getting a response from Marxists you’ve attacked.
the marxist forcing me to talk about marxism in c/anarchism for hours because he’s offended by the most milquetoast essay i’ve ever written because it suggests young anarchists shouldn’t let authoritarians shame them for being anti-authoritarian…
Maybe you should lay out a 5 year plan for sockpuppet production and distribution across the anarchist comms on lemmy, get input on it from 4 other alts, then run a great purge where you ban 2 of them.
They’re calling us Dengists because most of us support China (even after Deng’s post-Mao market reforms) as a socialist project, but since modern China is one of the Great Evil Authoritarian states by their reckoning, the term is meant as a pejorative. It’s basically “tankie” but with anti-Chinese characteristics.
I’m sure you’re right, just wanted to tease the fact that they are just being anti-communist in general out. Hiding behind being “anti-Dengist” is a pejorative of convenience for them, but all of their issues apply to Marxism broadly.
Obviously as an anarchist I’m not a Marxist, no anarchists are. Plenty of us opt for anarchy, mutualism, communalism, municipalism, etc. We’re socialists who disagree with Marx’s program. Deng on the other hand is just a run of the mill capitalist making his followers enemies of the working class.
The fact that you’re centering Marxism on c/anarchism is a bad look for this project. Not everything has to revolve around your fave bearded white guy. If we can’t talk about anarchism here without needing to soothe Marxists’ egos (Dengists if we’re being honest), why maintain an anarchist forum?
I didn’t say Marxists were anarchists or anarchists were Marxists. I stated that your issues with “Dengists” are just issues you have with Marxists coated in a less left-punchy way. Deng himself was a Marxist-Leninist working with the struggles brought about from the Gang of Four and the Cultural Revolution, socialism is still the mode of production in the PRC.
As for “centering Marxism,” I was addressing your complaints of being dogpiled on by Marxists on an instance dominated by Marxists. There are many anarchist users on Lemmy.ml, and they share their views as well without resorting to thinly-veiled attacks on Marxists.
Apparently these anarchists are in hiding because all I see is Dengists in every direction.
If there are really anarchists reading this, perhaps scared to speak up because you don’t want to cross the Dengists who clearly control the discourse here:
I didn’t write this essay for spiteful Marxists; rather, it’s a heartfelt tribute to young anarchists, urging you to persist in your pursuit of anarchy and resist the pressure from these patronising bores to conform to their conservative values. I see so many of you expressing frustration over Marxists mocking your positions. This essay serves as a form of prefiguration, encouraging newer anarchists to envision a more creative and liberating path than the all-too-common ancom to authcom pipeline.
We all need to stop centering the egos of Marxists in everything we do.
You’ve been attacking “Dengists” for standard Marxist positions. Further, again, nothing here is about “centering egos,” I’m explaining why your thinly-veiled hit piece on Marxists is getting a response from Marxists you’ve attacked.
We all need to stop centering the egos of Marxists in everything we do.
Let us pathetic illiterate anarkiddies get on with doing cool shit now, k?
Who is centering the egos of Marxists?
the marxist forcing me to talk about marxism in c/anarchism for hours because he’s offended by the most milquetoast essay i’ve ever written because it suggests young anarchists shouldn’t let authoritarians shame them for being anti-authoritarian…
the irony!
buddy you have a triple digit number of sockpuppet accounts, I think the gravitational pull of that ego is clearly much more relevant
if i were using multiple accounts the discourse in this place wouldn’t be so fucking insipid.
Maybe you should lay out a 5 year plan for sockpuppet production and distribution across the anarchist comms on lemmy, get input on it from 4 other alts, then run a great purge where you ban 2 of them.
that would require me to give a shit about influencing lemmy