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      NSA spying, Epstein, diamond engagement rings, are some examples of conspiracy theories widely established to be real.

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          As far as ones with solid supporting documentation: The various COINTELPRO operations, the Bay of Pigs fiasco, the attempts by the FBI to blackmail MLK, Watergate and its coverup, the Teapot Dome scandal, Iran/Contra, Nixon’s sabotage of the Vietnam peace talks, the coordinated campaign of lies that led up to the Iraq war, the Brooks Brothers Riot, the catholic church protecting pedo priests, the baptist church protecting pedo clergy, Soviet coverups of things like Lake Karachay and the first few days after Chernobyl before it became undeniable. And of course, the assassination of Julius Caesar.

          Just because there are conspiracy theorists doesn’t mean conspiracies don’t happen.

          Conversely, just because conspiracies happen doesn’t mean everything’s a conspiracy.

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          As Noam Chomsky used to say, that was basically the only legitimate conspiracy theory out there!

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        And yet, pizza gate, school shooting crisis actors, “Bush did 9/11”, fake moon landing, firmament, HAARP weather control, JFK killed by the CIA, et. al (to name a few) are all ephemeral bunk with no conclusive evidence to back them up.

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        Yes, and countless crackpots reference Galileo when shouting out their latest thing that scientists don’t want you to know about. The one doesn’t automatically give even the slightest credence to the other.

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          Sure, but it works the other way around too; you can’t automatically rule out conspiracy theories as false just because they fall into the category of conspiracy theories. This is itself a plausible conspiracy theory; that the trope of conspiracy theories being associated with crazy idiots, and the prevalence of very stupid conspiracy theories, is supported and encouraged to provide additional cover for the real ones.

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              I would argue that even before the point where the conspiracies I mentioned were conclusively proven and accepted as common knowledge, it still made sense to seriously consider the possibility and not dismiss people doing so only because they were engaging in conspiracy theories (which absolutely happened). That mindset just helps them get away with it.