Yeah because the internet didn’t exist in 1925 and you could physically toss people out of a space without moderator approval. If you started being (edit: enough of) an asshole in 1925 anarchist spaces, you would 1000% get kicked out. Also anarchists just don’t have the power or influence that we did back in the 1925.
We have lots of power, comrade - power to choose who we assemble and organize with. That’s how assholes in irl anarchist spaces are dealt with - choosing to not associate or work with someone who would do you or the community harm. (Don’t stretch this to mean I don’t work with people I don’t agree with 100% on everything, how and when you let people into your life can be appropriate for the situation - maybe I’ll show up to another groups event to help them with labour but won’t invite them to join in work I know they will just argue about for example).
The appeal to hierarchy is the joke here.
We have lots of power, comrade - power to choose who we assemble and organize with.
We absolutely do not have the collective power at scale at the moment to see things like Catalonia and Ukraine happen, i.e. anarchism at large scales. I did not mean to suggest that anarchists are individually powerless or even have no collective power. My point was really to comment that the effectiveness of early 19th century anarchism was due to both good principles and collective power. At least the way I read it, the meme seems to imply that modern anarchists are ineffective because they are crybabies, a take which I resent because it conflates anarchists correctly being more sensitive to bigotry against marginalized groups than anarchists of the past with anarchists being crybabies, while neglecting the simple fact that anarchism as an movement is more fringe today than it used to be.
That’s how assholes in irl anarchist spaces are dealt with - choosing to not associate or work with someone who would do you or the community harm.
Okay but what if the person you choose not to associate with absolutely refuses to leave your otherwise freely associated group alone? Eventually, you escort them out as a last resort because that person is violating everyone else’s freedom to dissociate from them.
That’s individualistic bullshit.
The collective is what matters! It’s the whole point of all of it!
You can’t do collective action independently. It doesn’t work that way. A million people marching separately is just a million people going for a walk
You have to have a group. It doesn’t need hierarchy or organization, but it does need an immune system. You need bad actors to fall in line or be expelled. You all have to point in the same direction, even if you’d rather be a little more to one side or another
I don’t know if you read what I wrote but okay
There is a lemmy “anarchist” that reports my posts even in non anarchists spaces because they don’t like what I have to say about America or voting instead of just using the block button. Block button should be your first line of defense instead of appealing to authority to get your way. This is less about people being assholes in anarchist spaces and more about the fact that we have a lot of posers on lemmy.
#AllModsAreBastards
There is a lemmy “anarchist” that reports my posts even in non anarchists spaces because they don’t like what I have to say about America or voting instead of just using the block button.
Oh okay. Yeah that’s annoying. What the fuck kind of anarchist supports AmeriKKKa?
Block button should be your first line of defense instead of appealing to authority to get your way.
Mostly agree, but there are absolutely times when nagging people to get someone banned has been the right call, simply because of the technical structure of Lemmy and the Internet. Like a couple months ago, I basically contacted all the main admins on every instance to get one user blocked from most communities because they were actively going into trans communities and posting transphobic bullshit to disrupt them and trigger their users.
Like the block button is good if someone is being mean or saying stuff that is just offensive, but it’s not a good response to actually oppressive language. In that case, it’s just choosing to ignore oppression, which isn’t very anarchist 🙂.
sunshine isn’t an anarchist, they are an instigator
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Bro, Idk what “anarchist” you may have some personal drama with but a) there are going to be idiots and assholes who say they identify with any group because people are dumb like that and b) if someone is being antagonistic in a community, exiling that person from the community is usually an anarchist option yes? And in online communities, only mods tend to have that power to ban users, so I feel like it’s not really a betrayal of anarchy to report people to an online moderator (though I will say that in some spaces mods act like cops/rulers/The-State™️, so if communities can’t oust their mods, then yeah that community in general isn’t very anarchic)
Anyway, I don’t know what happened between you and this person, but generalizing that all online anarchists are like this just because you met an asshole online doesn’t seem like the best way to handle the situation imo
I’m reasonably certain there are many many “1925 anarchists” in db0 alone and probably a lot more throughout the rest of Lemmy too
I’m reasonably certain there are many many “1925 anarchists” in db0 alone
I’ve yet to see any
I’m reasonably certain there are many many “1925 anarchists” in db0 alone
I’m 100% certain that the nazi instance does not have “many” genuine socialists of any flavor
Something tells me your definition of “genuine socialists” doesn’t include anarchists to begin with. Also as far as I know most of db0 is pretty anti-nationalist, very anti-hierarchy/govt. , and very anti-capitalist; hence all the piracy, and the socialist communities, and the free/open-source software communities, and all the anarchy communities, etc.
Hell there’s even a community now dedicated to Illegalism which is very much in the realm of “1925 anarchist”
But let me guess, you got in a fight with a user from db0 that called you a tankie or something, and now you think the entire instance is full of Nazis because some of the users don’t agree with you and no one who disagrees with you can be a “genuine socialist.” Am I right?
Anyway, if you do see any real nazi content from a db0 user, they’d be breaking instance rules so you can and should report them to the mods.
Something tells me your definition of “genuine socialists” doesn’t include anarchists to begin with.
I’m an anarchist
Anyway, if you do see any real nazi content from a db0 user, they’d be breaking instance rules so you can and should report them to the mods.
A prominent mod on dbzero said the holocaust was good because it killed communists, and db0 (the server owner) supported and defended this mod. It’s a nazi instance. Nazi instances don’t punish nazi users.
I’m an anarchist
My bad then ig
As for the incident you mentioned, do you have a link or archive link to the comment? While in very bad taste, I can imagine it was meant as a joke against communists not to garner support for the holocaust or fascism.
If an inappropriate joke about a tragedy being good because it killed some people you thought were bad makes an instance a “Nazi instance,” I’m pretty sure hexbear doesn’t pass that litmus test either.
I can imagine it was meant as a joke
You can imagine whatever you want, but you’re wrong and also what kind of person hears an accusation of the most heinous kind of nazi bullshit and immediately jumps to defend the accused without ANY information? The only kind of person I can imagine who is so eager to defend people against accusations of nazism is a nazi.
Here’s a good summary of the situation. TL;DR: The mod in question says, “all 27 million Soviet citizens killed by the nazis deserved it.” This was 9 months after having been educated on the fact that that number includes many civilian holocaust victims. The owner of your server thinks these are completely cool views to express and not indicative of nazism. That makes the server owner a nazi in addition to the mod.
If you continue to defend this, you are also a nazi (which tracks, as you’re posting from the nazi instance)
You can imagine what you want but you’re wrong
Checked the link and it is an asshole telling a bad joke, so I’m actually right…?
And immediately jumps to defend the accused without any information?
Actually, I’ve been on here a while and heard several jokes about how if tragedy befell x country or some state in the US that nothing of value would be lost because x is bad. Your description sounded like a bad joke of that kind and it is, so my “jump” was a natural predictive response in noticing a similar situation. And hey, my intuition was correct.
Thank you for linking the content. I think the joke is bad both premise wise and just bad taste, but I disagree with your conclusion that this is evidence of Nazi sentiment and it definitely isn’t evidence that all of db0 is corrupt.
I know that this comment likely won’t change your mind since you think me making any comment like this is an admission of Nazi ideology, but before I disengage I want to say that your feelings of anger at the disregard this individual is showing towards the Soviet citizens killed by the Nazis are valid. Joking about people who died horrible deaths just because they didn’t have the same ideology as you is distasteful. But being rude/disrespectful and being a Nazi are not the same, and generalizing the actions of a single mod to the whole of db0 is not a fair assumption.
Anyway, since commenting makes me a Nazi, here’s a Nazi wishing you well. You seem kind of invested in this, and while your feelings are valid, getting worked up over internet community drama isn’t particularly healthy. So I’m sorry I brought up a touchy subject for you, and I hope your thoughts are able to move on from this quickly. I’ll stop commenting and let you enjoy the rest of your day/night without thinking about just some other asshole you met from db0 eh? Have a good one comrade
I don’t think you understand what a joke is
Checked the link and it is an asshole telling a bad joke
lmao ok fucking nazi scum
Bro it isn’t that serious this is a shitty meme I made in two seconds and posted while I was literally in the bathroom, my instance admin showed me a report ICQ guy made about a comment of mine that he didn’t like and this is just a throw away joke. Relax before you give yourself a heart attack
there are many many “1925 anarchists” in db0 alone
oh the “anarchist” instance that hosts a Euro nationalist comm?
Bro this isn’t that serious it’s just a shitty comment I made in two seconds while I was in the bathroom (funny coincidence lol) But seriously don’t worry about me mate, writing actually relaxes me. Much nicer to focus on dumb internet comments than hyperfixate on my anxieties about life lol
Anyway it’s hard to know when people are serious about generalizations or not. Thought I’d make a comment just in case you were serious, so you’d know there are actual anarchists out there.
And in a way I guess I was right since you seem to think an instance of anarchists is not an anarchy instance lol
Also, euro nationalist comm? Are you talking about c/europe ? The comm filled with news about corruption in Europe? Idk about you but I’m pretty sure no one is upvoting “French government is threatening developers of GrapheneOS for refusing to add a back door” because they support privacy violations or love the French government lol
Was on a date once and it’s clearly not going well because they’re just putting a lot of negativity on the table but I’m just seeing it through to be decent and they say with a sneer “it’s okay, you can go, you don’t have to stick around” so I just walked out of there.
And you can do that, unless it’s a factory or something, in which case I won’t say what you can do because laws.
No, you can walk out of a factory job too; I’ve literally done it, no joke. What laws are you talking about?
…to the factory
I’m not going back. You can’t make me!
😂
In retrospect and for clarity, I probably should have said [redacted] instead of “because laws”, but clarity wasn’t exactly my goal either 😉
