They are providing infrastructure, hosting and a recommendation algorithms for access their 700million users. Thats a fair trade for someone who gets no streams.
No, they aren’t. Yes for hosting, but that’s cheaper than the music itself if it’s quality music and not AI slob. The algorithms are heavily influenced by popularity, which is kind of a trap for new artists. It’s only perhaps a possibility for a very popular artist like Taylor Swift, to really access that amount of users. I get what you say, it’s a for-profit, that’s fine, but they are not helping new artists at all, from my POV, they don’t get to brag about that.
Yes its weighted on popularity but that doesnt mean it never shows new music to people. By putting your songs on Spotify they will recommend your music to people and if thry like it they will show it to more people. If you’re getting under 1000 streams in an entire year then no one likes your music. There is no other way to interpret that. No one likes your music, it holds no value to Spotify. The 1000 streams is just a fraud measure to try and weed out scammers because it should be easy to pass for a serious musician.
If you think Spotify provides no value dont upload music there its that simple.
Yes, there are several other ways to interpret the 1000 streams number. One very plausible way is Spotify’s not trying hard enough with new, unknown artists, as if they just want cheap money. I agree Spotify doesn’t value new artists. I wouldn’t upload music to that shit platform, there are multiple reasons why not to, but that’s another discussion.
Can we be clear that we aren’t talking about new artists. New artists will probably make the 1000 steam metric and get their $6 of revenue. Were talking about artists who cannot make 1000 views in a year after uploading for a years.
Most artists get under 1000 streams. Small bands, songwriters, local artists etc. If you don’t pay small artists you are only supporting “mainstream” art that sells. But art should never be created with the intent to sell. Art should be created because the artist wants to create exactly what they want, regardless of saleability. This way you get a diverse field of music with genres you can’t even imagine today.
When you only pay above 1000 streams, artists might change their music to be more “consumer friendly”. You get more of the same “mainstream” art. During that process you lose a lot of great music that doesn’t sell well but still deserves to be paid equally.
It is when there is then hundred thousands of artists and millions of songs . Algorithms being biased towards big artists and most people just listening to the same 10 popular artists.
It doesn’t matter if the biggest share of revenus is from sows , artists made an effort and made music , it should be paid that’s all
It is a lot based on the industry saturation . It is unfair , it is stealing money from smaller artists to give more to already huge artists and major labels
1000 streams is like having 10 or 20 followers. Its not a high bar to clear if you make decent music. I fully disagree thay artists who dont sell well or at all deserve to be paid. If you create stuff thats of no value to people then no one will pay you it can’t work any other way.
Like you said art should be created for fun and not for monetary gain so if they dont make the 1000 stream threshold its fine. There is still plenty of incentive to create a diverse range of music.
Music is subjective claiming that a song below 1000 streams is a bad song or that song that had no value for most people or thst people are just not aware of do not deserve to be payed ia ridiculous
Also the idea that artists should make music only for fun is ridiculous too.
I didnt claim it was a bad song. Do you thinking paying people to upload music to Spotify regardless of view count would somehow increase the quality of music? It would have the opposite affect attracting unserious musicians to the platform which would directly complete in recommendation algorithms with people who actually try to make music.
I didnt claim it was a bad song. Do you thinking paying people to upload music to Spotify regardless of view count would somehow increase the quality of music?
Yes.
It would have the opposite affect attracting unserious musicians to the platform which would directly complete in recommendation algorithms with people who actually try to make music.
Who are you to say who is the serious artists and who isn’t. The recommendation algorithms push people to copy each other killing innovation and artistic control . Demonetize songs to pay bigger artists including the biggest artists in the industry is completely fair . Yo should worry more about how loose Spotify is with AI generated music to hurt small artists even more.
You shouble be ashamed of minimizing small artists efforts. You don’t know ish about how hard the industry is. As a super fan of music I have build connection with small local artists failing to have regular over 1000 streams tracks let alone 1000 per years. They do everything right like in real life networking, participating in competitions, asking advices and retroaction from better profesionals.
You are no different than people who say anybody who is poor is because he is lazy and not serious while defending billionaires
It doesn’t matter how small the money is for 1000 streams. Any artist should still get money from streams and not stealing that money to give them to mainstream artists.
Instead of shaming small artists you should adress spotify being loose about blocking ai generated music, giving big artists right to use AI and giving advances to major label and if the revenus are less than the advance the label still keep the difference
714 million Spotify listeners in 2025. 1000 users is 0.00014%. I guess though by “streams” you don’t even need that many users. You could just use friends and family.
88% of songs didn’t get any payout, because they demonetized all songs below 1000 streams. They only pay big artists.
Why would you get paid for under 1000 streams? Thats just encouraging spam.
Because you worked to make the music happen, took the time to upload it to their servers, and they have it available in their for-profit platform?
They are providing infrastructure, hosting and a recommendation algorithms for access their 700million users. Thats a fair trade for someone who gets no streams.
No, they aren’t. Yes for hosting, but that’s cheaper than the music itself if it’s quality music and not AI slob. The algorithms are heavily influenced by popularity, which is kind of a trap for new artists. It’s only perhaps a possibility for a very popular artist like Taylor Swift, to really access that amount of users. I get what you say, it’s a for-profit, that’s fine, but they are not helping new artists at all, from my POV, they don’t get to brag about that.
Yes its weighted on popularity but that doesnt mean it never shows new music to people. By putting your songs on Spotify they will recommend your music to people and if thry like it they will show it to more people. If you’re getting under 1000 streams in an entire year then no one likes your music. There is no other way to interpret that. No one likes your music, it holds no value to Spotify. The 1000 streams is just a fraud measure to try and weed out scammers because it should be easy to pass for a serious musician.
If you think Spotify provides no value dont upload music there its that simple.
Yes, there are several other ways to interpret the 1000 streams number. One very plausible way is Spotify’s not trying hard enough with new, unknown artists, as if they just want cheap money. I agree Spotify doesn’t value new artists. I wouldn’t upload music to that shit platform, there are multiple reasons why not to, but that’s another discussion.
Can we be clear that we aren’t talking about new artists. New artists will probably make the 1000 steam metric and get their $6 of revenue. Were talking about artists who cannot make 1000 views in a year after uploading for a years.
Most artists get under 1000 streams. Small bands, songwriters, local artists etc. If you don’t pay small artists you are only supporting “mainstream” art that sells. But art should never be created with the intent to sell. Art should be created because the artist wants to create exactly what they want, regardless of saleability. This way you get a diverse field of music with genres you can’t even imagine today.
When you only pay above 1000 streams, artists might change their music to be more “consumer friendly”. You get more of the same “mainstream” art. During that process you lose a lot of great music that doesn’t sell well but still deserves to be paid equally.
1000 streams is not a lot. your neighbor making butt rock in his living room for shits and giggles could get 1000 streams on spotify
and streaming is not a way to get paid its a way to get fans to pay for your stuff, like shows and merch and cds and vinyl
It is when there is then hundred thousands of artists and millions of songs . Algorithms being biased towards big artists and most people just listening to the same 10 popular artists.
It doesn’t matter if the biggest share of revenus is from sows , artists made an effort and made music , it should be paid that’s all
well like i said 1000 streams is not a lot, so its not really that big of a deal
It is a lot based on the industry saturation . It is unfair , it is stealing money from smaller artists to give more to already huge artists and major labels
1000 streams is like having 10 or 20 followers. Its not a high bar to clear if you make decent music. I fully disagree thay artists who dont sell well or at all deserve to be paid. If you create stuff thats of no value to people then no one will pay you it can’t work any other way.
Like you said art should be created for fun and not for monetary gain so if they dont make the 1000 stream threshold its fine. There is still plenty of incentive to create a diverse range of music.
Music is subjective claiming that a song below 1000 streams is a bad song or that song that had no value for most people or thst people are just not aware of do not deserve to be payed ia ridiculous
Also the idea that artists should make music only for fun is ridiculous too.
I didnt claim it was a bad song. Do you thinking paying people to upload music to Spotify regardless of view count would somehow increase the quality of music? It would have the opposite affect attracting unserious musicians to the platform which would directly complete in recommendation algorithms with people who actually try to make music.
Yes.
Who are you to say who is the serious artists and who isn’t. The recommendation algorithms push people to copy each other killing innovation and artistic control . Demonetize songs to pay bigger artists including the biggest artists in the industry is completely fair . Yo should worry more about how loose Spotify is with AI generated music to hurt small artists even more.
If they are serious they’ll break 1000 streams. Paying artists that people listen is more fair than paying artists no one listens to yes.
Also Spotify pays so low per stream I doubt 1000 streams even covers the transaction fee.
You shouble be ashamed of minimizing small artists efforts. You don’t know ish about how hard the industry is. As a super fan of music I have build connection with small local artists failing to have regular over 1000 streams tracks let alone 1000 per years. They do everything right like in real life networking, participating in competitions, asking advices and retroaction from better profesionals.
You are no different than people who say anybody who is poor is because he is lazy and not serious while defending billionaires
It doesn’t matter how small the money is for 1000 streams. Any artist should still get money from streams and not stealing that money to give them to mainstream artists.
Instead of shaming small artists you should adress spotify being loose about blocking ai generated music, giving big artists right to use AI and giving advances to major label and if the revenus are less than the advance the label still keep the difference
1000 streams still feels low.
714 million Spotify listeners in 2025. 1000 users is 0.00014%. I guess though by “streams” you don’t even need that many users. You could just use friends and family.
Lol friends and family are the least to care about artists art it is always people they don’t know who are the biggest fans