I know we differ somewhat in philosophy, but by and large, I think we’re pretty much on the same team. Personally, almost all my cooking is vegan anyway, and I love reading your recipes.
Feel free to take this down if you don’t though, no hard feelings.
I actually don’t agree that vegetarians are halfway to our side when they know that milk and eggs and such greviously harm animals but chose to harm anyway. Especially when they go out of their way to scold and silence activists. Like OP, whose response to Dairy is Scary was to scold me, instead of feeling horror at the terrible suffering they cause to cows. Their comm also prohibits “proselytizing” as if veganism is a baseless religious movement and not a political struggle for animal liberation.
The only vegetarians who are halfway there are those who are naive and once they learn about the harm animals endure to get those products, they go vegan. I used to be vegetarian, and I was horrified when I learned other vegetarians were literally keeping information from me. It’s fucked up to support that. It certainly doesn’t help animals
You are attacking him and driving him away just as I asked you not to. I agree with you. I’m a vegan. I don’t like it that vegitarians turn a blind eye to suffering. But this bombardment of moral superiority DOES NOT WORK. It trips a part in the brain that makes people get defensive and shut down. It drives them away and gives us a bad image.
I suppose you have to take a step back and think about what you want. Do you want to win an argument and be right? Or would you rather have a chance at bringing more people over to veganism? I personally want the latter.
Actually, they’ve been attacking me and vegans who care about animal liberation, but that’s invisible to you. I haven’t been attacking anyone, just accurately describing that they’re harming others and politely asking them to choose not to harm others. You don’t care bc you sympathize with the oppressor
Edit: the only way to be “nice” to a carnist is to appease them and say what they’re doing is fine, which it isn’t, that animals don’t matter enough to hurry up and stop killing them now, which they definitely do. The only way to be “nice” to carnists is to side with people doing harm, minimizing that harm, and saying vegans who aren’t okay with animal murder are mean jerks, which we aren’t. That’s what all the pick-me’s are doing here, blowing hot air about how mean it is to be against literal actually rape and murder of the most oppressed class. I get this lecture every single time. It doesn’t matter how nice I am, doesn’t matter how I say it. Any pushback against the oppressive status quo is going to result in a lecture, bc ppl find it inherently mean to ask ppl to stop harming others if that harm is normalized.
You should have learned from Bill Cosby that respectability politics don’t work. But you’re not interested in solidarity or activism that works. You just don’t wanna be stigmatized and pilloried as one of “those” vegans, you know, that ones that actually disrupt a harmful status quo, the ones that get lectured by cowards for not appeasing human supremacy, the ones who are always sorry and quiet for the terrible crime of how not hurting others challenges those who do.
Please quote where in this thread he attacks you. I’ve read it and it’s not there. You are the one that is coming off as opinionated. He’s been nothing but polite.
You’ve been nothing but accusational. If this is what you think polite discourse is then I don’t know what to say.
You got me. Did you know I have friends who aren’t vegan? I talk about it whenever they’re open to listening and I try to promote my morality in a positive way. I did consider the alternative of yelling at all of them and never leaving my house, but I decided against it.
Newsflash, Bill Cosby, defending rape and murder isn’t polite. Yes, I’m a vegan in the vegan comm, and I’m not afraid to have the opinion that hurting animals is wrong and animal fascists shouldn’t come here without at least being asked to stop harming animals.
Hilarious that you came here to lecture me bc to you the real problem isn’t hurting animals, it’s linking Dairy is Scary and then asking someone to stop supporting and defending the things in that video. In your mind, that makes me the problematic one.
I don’t take advice from animal fash, and I certainly don’t take advice from Bill Cosby
I was incredibly confused as to why we were talking about Bill Cosby now until I saw you edited your post. You’ve haven’t provided an example of his attack and doubled down on your position. I didn’t come here to lecture you or argue and that is what this is turning into, so this will be my last comment on the matter.
Take care