Source on BYD failing in 5 years? AFAIK, their batteries are warrantied for 8 years and there are BYD taxis with hundreds of thousands of miles on them.
Even if that’s true, it would still make sense for a ton of people to get these.
Personally I’ve always had used cars that were already around 10+ years old when I bought them and so they cost about 1/5 of a new car. So far I’ve averaged about 5 years out of them because at that point pretty much any minor fender bender is enough to total them or my car just up and dies.
So for me, buying a cheap EV that only has a 5 year lifespan wouldn’t really change much, and I’d be happy to have a car, if only for a couple years, where random shit is just acting up just because of the age of the car (on my current car, some of the speakers have been going in and out since I got it, I think the front passenger side has finally settled on “out” I could fix it, but don’t feel like throwing money at it)
And at the end of those 5 years, I’d probably have saved enough in gas to afford a new chinese EV, or at least a really solid down payment on one.
If everyone moves to EVs, then the cartels start price gouging electricity even harder.
Byd is cheap because it’s mass produced with cheap labour. And the various interests involved won’t let it encroach unhindered, so its future for now remains uncertain.
But having the car you need when needed is something worth spending money for.
And if the prices go up, I end up right back buying 10 year old used cars, so long term nothing really changes for me, personally, except I get to enjoy a couple years of driving a newer car than I’m used to.
And it generally helps increase EV adoption which is an overall good thing.
Well, far as I know, the batter waste disposal issue hasn’t been solved yet. Though i may be mistaken.
If the EVs are low quality, the large influx of cars means a lot of garbage piled on top of whatever already exists.
The problem with EV battery disposal is mostly that there isn’t enough used batteries for companies to want to be involved in recycling them.
Part of that is because, unlike your claim, in a lot of cases they’re having perfectly long long service lives, even exceeding what we thought their lifespans might be (there are exceptions of course, like the early Nissan leafs)
And then other sources of used batteries, like from crashed vehicles, are being being reused more-or-less as-is for things like storage for solar power and home backups, which is preferable to recycling when possible
Eventually we’ll probably hit a critical mass of used batteries full of valuable lithium and such that companies will be clamoring over themselves to start recycling them, and maybe at some point we’ll even reach a point where no more lithium needs to be mined and we’ll be recovering all we need from dead batteries. Basically the whole battery can be recycled these days, its just a matter of building out the infrastructure to do it, and once there are enough batteries waiting to be recycled, someone will see dollar signs and step up to that plate.
Til they also last 5 times less than other cars. Or at least the Byd electric cars supposedly fail in under 5 years at most.
Source on BYD failing in 5 years? AFAIK, their batteries are warrantied for 8 years and there are BYD taxis with hundreds of thousands of miles on them.
Local gossip.
Are you suggesting that a cybertruck will run for 25 years?
if you push it down a hill in 2050.
How would I?
Source?
Friend of a friend.
A single anecdote hardly makes a compelling argument.
And yet, more often than not, it does.
And yet, it doesn’t. Show some real data.
I’m sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that.
Even if that’s true, it would still make sense for a ton of people to get these.
Personally I’ve always had used cars that were already around 10+ years old when I bought them and so they cost about 1/5 of a new car. So far I’ve averaged about 5 years out of them because at that point pretty much any minor fender bender is enough to total them or my car just up and dies.
So for me, buying a cheap EV that only has a 5 year lifespan wouldn’t really change much, and I’d be happy to have a car, if only for a couple years, where random shit is just acting up just because of the age of the car (on my current car, some of the speakers have been going in and out since I got it, I think the front passenger side has finally settled on “out” I could fix it, but don’t feel like throwing money at it)
And at the end of those 5 years, I’d probably have saved enough in gas to afford a new chinese EV, or at least a really solid down payment on one.
If everyone moves to EVs, then the cartels start price gouging electricity even harder. Byd is cheap because it’s mass produced with cheap labour. And the various interests involved won’t let it encroach unhindered, so its future for now remains uncertain. But having the car you need when needed is something worth spending money for.
And if the prices go up, I end up right back buying 10 year old used cars, so long term nothing really changes for me, personally, except I get to enjoy a couple years of driving a newer car than I’m used to.
And it generally helps increase EV adoption which is an overall good thing.
Not really seeing any downsides here.
Well, far as I know, the batter waste disposal issue hasn’t been solved yet. Though i may be mistaken. If the EVs are low quality, the large influx of cars means a lot of garbage piled on top of whatever already exists.
The problem with EV battery disposal is mostly that there isn’t enough used batteries for companies to want to be involved in recycling them.
Part of that is because, unlike your claim, in a lot of cases they’re having perfectly long long service lives, even exceeding what we thought their lifespans might be (there are exceptions of course, like the early Nissan leafs)
And then other sources of used batteries, like from crashed vehicles, are being being reused more-or-less as-is for things like storage for solar power and home backups, which is preferable to recycling when possible
Eventually we’ll probably hit a critical mass of used batteries full of valuable lithium and such that companies will be clamoring over themselves to start recycling them, and maybe at some point we’ll even reach a point where no more lithium needs to be mined and we’ll be recovering all we need from dead batteries. Basically the whole battery can be recycled these days, its just a matter of building out the infrastructure to do it, and once there are enough batteries waiting to be recycled, someone will see dollar signs and step up to that plate.
I’ll be glad when all that happens.