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    1 year ago

    I wanted to get a Fairphone 4 until I saw I saw it didn’t have a headphone jack. Made me think all their “sustainable” mottos are just marketing.

    Purism with their Librem phones took people’s money and didn’t send them the product so I didn’t want to chance it or support a company that does that.

    So in the end I got a Pixel 7 instead and put Graphene OS on it. Not particularly happy but didn’t seem like there was a better choice.

    Recently found out from a Louis Rossman video that the lead dev of Graphene has some mental health issues that don’t make him a very trustworthy individual. Supposedly he stepped down but he’s probably still contributing code.

    Tl;dr: phones = bad

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      1 year ago

      His code contributions have always been high quality, and they’re audited by his peers. Its very unlikely malicious code would come from him, and even more unlikely it would make it through on to your phone.

      While he’s certainly unhinged, it’s clear that he cares deeply for the project. I can’t see him doing anything intentionally malicious.

      I really wish him the best, and I’m glad he stepped down. Much better for optics with him out of the way.

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        1 year ago

        This might age horribly, but I never really understood the worry that a high-profile open source developer might ‘smuggle’ some dodgy code into a repo. Sure, it’s possible. Especially in large projects, but the risk/reward ratio is simply ridiculously bad and there are so many other/simpler ways out there a malicious actor could use to make a profit.

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          The risk is definitely not higher than the risk of some closed sorce dev smuggling something dodgy into a high profile project like e.g. Windows.

          That said, I would trust an unknown git repo about as much as I would trust some exe I found on a random website.

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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      1 year ago

      Yup, I’m in the market for a new phone soon, and here’s my assessment of my options, in rough order of preference:

      • PinePhone Pro - probably not ready since I’m not confident in calls waking it from sleep; not sure if it’ll support the apps I need (mostly need a specific 2FA app for work)
      • Fairphone - expensive and no headphone jack
      • Pixel + alternate ROM - not sure I trust the devs
      • iPhone - don’t like the ecosystem much, and I don’t really trust Apple
      • regular Android - software support ends too soon
      • feature phones - don’t have the apps I need

      I’m probably going to get an older Pixel and a PinePhone Pro, and I’ll hack on the PinePhone until it does what I need. I don’t think I can add reliable suspend/resume, but I can probably build a couple small apps I need (i.e. a lemmy client, I’m already working on one), get a few Android apps working, and tune the OS a bit. Worst case scenario, it’s a fun hobby project.

        • Hatch@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          Which distro and enviornment do you use and how is your battery experience?

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            1 year ago

            I use ArchLinux with Plasma Mobile. Battery life is bad, but I bought the Pine keyboard which makes the battery life normal.

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              1 year ago

              How long have you had it? Have any cracks devoloped as time has passed with the keyboard case?

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                1 year ago

                PP about two years, PPP about six months. Yes, there is a small crack with the keyboard case with PPP.

        • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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          1 year ago

          I heard the original PinePhone works fine, but the Pro is still WIP. I want the extra performance from the Pro, otherwise I’d probably already have a PinePhone.

          I guess I’ll find out when I get one though.

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        1 year ago

        Fairphone allows you to remove the battery, which, amongst other things, allows you to hard-reset the phone by just pulling the battery, which I did 2 times after owning the FP4 for 18 months. It also receives longer software support than most other phones. Negatives include a rattly top speaker above 50% volume, which was confirmed to be a design defect, the high price tag and, for me at least other small annoyances, such as the microphone volume being pretty low when on a call (not unusable, but you got to speak louder) and sometimes GPS issues, which either require patience or a restart.

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          An incredibly important detail of being able to remove the battery is that it enables both carrying extras for longer travel, and allows replacing and upgrading as it ages.

          I have a samsung galaxy s5 and thanks to that i could straight up double the ontime with an aftermarket battery, which is comically large and came with a new backside lmao.

      • Hatch@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        pinephone pro - is defintely getting better as the software improves. The battery life is definitely something that holds it back i bought a keyboard battery case and it improved it however the edges of the case that connects to the phone have cracked over time and ive super glued it twice (near headphone port & opposite side near type c port.) When they crack it can cause a misalignment on the pins and not charge/keyboard doesnt function so i have to press back into the case(hence the glue to fix that). It will eventually get better for me to completely jump over.

        Pixel phones degoogled - works great especially calyx or graphene os. I have always bought used but if i want change to happen i need to stop funding google indirectly through the used market with buying their phones. I am speaking for myself here.

        Fairphone , Teracube, Murena - i eventually want to just buy from these moving forward. They hit 80% + of the checkboxes i need and improvements come quicker when this companys market improves especially when their direction aligns with what i want in a phone.

        Tl;dr - i am letting my money do the talking on where i want phone improvement to occur.

        • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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          I think my problem is that I don’t know where I want to see improvement. I see two options:

          • Linux phone - it’ll become a hobby and I’ll constantly need to tinker
          • Graphene, Fairphone, etc - better than what I have, but I’ll probably never get to my ideal

          If the PinePhone had better software, I’d totally just go with that, but it’ll be rough the first couple of years.

          • Hatch@lemmy.ml
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            1 year ago

            Regarding best phone for post market os

            https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices

            Pinephone (not pro) seems to have the most support its on the main line.

            Other than that under “community” & “phone” you would decide which phone in that list meets what you need and get peoples opinion on those specific phone with usage.

            • your selection on which direction to take via pinephone or android based on your needs and tollerances.

            If you dont mind tinkering go pinephone however if you need it to work for various uses based on what you/friends/family use and compromises need to be done then go android.

            Contribution can be bug reports, donations, assistance to other users ect. Anything is possible if you want.

            I do where i can and its my choice; same with you, your choices are your own.

            • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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              I think I’ll want the PinePhone Pro because repairability is important and it’ll probably be hard to find parts for outdated mass market phones. The original PinePhone is just too slow for me (from videos, not hands-on usage), and the PinePhone Pro probably wouldn’t be a huge downgrade from my current phone in terms of performance.

              I didn’t see a big selection of used OnePlus 6s (OnePlus 6T seems available though), and the ones that are available are in poor shape (shattered back, burned in screen, some kind of damage, etc), so it’s not going to be a long term option most likely. The PinePhone should have decent parts support for a few years at least.

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                Sounds good,

                I have a pinephone pro, while you can use use it touch. I recommend either the keyboard case(since it has a battery) or having a portable bluetooth keyboard of some sort. If configurartion is needed and there are issues with the onscreen keyboard(happens when i use certain apps like bitwarden) the keyboard helps ease that issue.

                I still use stock manjaro plasma but if i jump i might go to sway/plasma arch/sway postmarket still checking put options though. I know i need waydroid to work so ill see what the doc support is on both.

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      1 year ago

      The pixel also doesn’t have a headphone jack, so the fairphone is still better in that it has an ethical supply chain, and much more user repairable

    • johnnixon@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      When I heard the Fairphone 4 didn’t have any waterproofing I decided to skip this version. My coworker is replacing their Samsung S10 just because the USB port is getting loose but they’re an avid boater. For some, water resistance really matters.