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    as a gen zer myself I would follow it up with WHY? give me a reason WHY. I don’t really see a difference between instagram groups and signal groups. I think what it is for most people is some lame app they will download for only that specific purpose. The only reason why iMessage is popular is it’s the default. If the EU passed a regulation to force Apple to have a default messager that only supported SMS, and iMessage to be a separate appstore app, or even just an extension for the messages app. it would die within a year. Meta groups are only popular cause they are tired to 2 of the biggest social platform being facebook and instagram.

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      You pretty much hit the nail. I doubt he has ever even used Signal in his life. And even if it was some lame all for a specific purpose, it is a better experience than SMS since Apple loves to gatekeep iMessage and Android users can’t use it.

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      I tried this before, but with asking someone why they liked the iPhone so much.

      I kept asking why and they’d keep giving me non-answer types of answers. Basically, they had no reason. But that still didn’t stop them from liking their products.

      I don’t know, dude. Even asking ‘why’ doesn’t work anymore.

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      Signal is just a messaging app, and worst of all to a ton of people you have to share your phone number, something that is kinda intimate and you might only share it among the closer people in your friend group, even when signal launches usernames unless it builds something around signal it’s just another annoying messaging app to keep track of.

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        There’s an app called Session that is similar to Signal without the phone number requirement but then you have the issue of moving people to an even more niche platform

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          There’s also threema which is pretty tried and tested and quite popular where I live (and also not connected to weird crypto schemes) but it of course has the same issue.

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            I love SimpleX because you can have multiple users and you can use 1-time invite codes so you don’t actually have to give anyone an identifier of any kind if you don’t want to.

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              I do occasionally, but my friends don’t, I think it is my phone because a reboot fixes it.

              ETA: ‘occasionally’ about every 1-2 months

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          For some reason the session network (oxen network) now blocks my Hetzner VPS connection (I use for VPN). Have been a session user for around 2 years now and now I have to reconsider Signal.

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          I’ve tried to use session to talk to a couple family members but I just don’t get notifications, so I just use signal. (no I’m not on slow mode, I just use microG)

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          If only there was some messaging app that basically every college age student already has installed. That would be convenient.

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            I’m not sure if you meant that sarcastically but besides Instagram I really haven’t come across one

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            I haven’t seen enough evidence to say it’s a scam. It uses Oxen to incentive users to host nodes. Why would that be anymore of a scam than any other crypto currency?

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                I’m not someone who blindly hypes up Bitcoin or other currencies but why do you say that? They seem useful in a broad set of applications

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                This from the Lokinet website

                While Tor and Lokinet are both onion routers, they are very different at both the protocol and infrastructure levels.

                Tor relies on a network of volunteer-operated relays and a set of central directory authorities, and this infrastructure introduces a number of weaknesses and limitations. Because Tor’s circuit moderation is bandwidth-weighted, you are much more likely to use high-bandwidth nodes than low-bandwidth ones, meaning that a large percentage of Tor’s 7000+ nodes are underutilised due to having insufficient bandwidth. Additionally, Tor relies on a limited set of directory authorities. When these directory authorities are compromised or suffer from technical issues, the stability of the entire Tor network suffers because the network is unable to agree on what the node set is or the roles of nodes in the network (whether they were guard nodes, exit nodes, relays, etc.).

                Instead of relying on volunteers, Lokinet leverages the Oxen Service Node Network. Because Oxen’s service node operators are required to provide high-quality nodes — and are actively incentivised to do so — Lokinet’s relay network is consistent and reliable. Lokinet also inherits the market-based Sybil attack resistance of the Oxen blockchain, increasing Lokinet’s security against such attacks.

                Instead of Tor’s system of central directory authorities, Lokinet stores the state of the service node network on the blockchain. Every service node has access to this list, and comes to a consensus on it, making Lokinet significantly more decentralised than Tor.

                Lokinet is also more versatile than Tor — Tor operates on the transport layer and is only able to carry TCP traffic, while Lokinet operates on the network layer, meaning it can onion-route any IP-based protocol: TCP, UDP, ICMP, etc. This means Lokinet can be used for much more than just web browsing — it can also handle things like media streaming and video conferencing.

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                    Yeah it’s just Tor + blockchain, for marketing and exitscam purposes.

                    Seems pretty elaborate for a non-profit that has been delcaring their annual allocation of funds for years.

                    Tor is pretty trusted for security. Lokinet isn’t.

                    Lokinet is still experimental and hasn’t undergone a third party security audit to my knowledge in the same way their app Session has.

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        have to share your phone number

        Lol, lmao even

        What great security

        Same shit with Telegram and how you literally can’t use it without a phone. You have to use your phone to log in on desktop, even. Just lollll

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      as a gen zer myself I would follow it up with WHY? give me a reason WHY.

      So that spooks and advertisers can’t read your messages and use the information to help them brainwash you. Isn’t that reason enough?