This is a genuine question.
I have a hard time with this. My righteous side wants him to face an appropriate sentence, but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.
P.S. this topic is highly controversial and I want actual opinions so let’s be civil.
And if you’re a mod, delete this if the post is inappropriate or if it gets too heated.
This is a good question from the wrong angle. This event is cathartic for many people because the ultra rich who ruin countless lives never get punished. When they see “consequences” it’s a golden parachute. This event is frustrating because the media, legal, and security apparatuses expect us to treat this assassination as a grave act, but actively normalize the acts of harm Thompson and other leaders like him commit every day.
This event is revealing in stark terms the divide between the elite and the average person. Should murderers be prosecuted? Sure - in a world where justice and the rule of law matter for everyone equally. Doesn’t feel like we live in that world.
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He’s been climbing the ladder at United for 20 years. Many years ago indeed.
If he gets caught, then I’d say yes. Murder should be treated as murder regardless of what the reason is. Making exceptions is never a good idea.
I just hope he doesn’t get caught.
Then all of the healthcare companies that allow people to die because they will not cover them need to be prosecuted, every executive, every decision maker.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid “dens of crime” that Dickens loved to paint. It is not done even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice.
CS Lewis - Screwtape Letters (preface)
Exactly. :)
Trinity: what is he doing?
Morpheus: he’s beginning to believe…
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
Brian Thompson and his co-workers murder hundreds of thousands of people with systemic neglect, spreadsheets, and lawyers. They murder in broad daylight, during business hours. And yet they’re comfortable, well paid, successful people who will never see a day in jail. What they’re doing isn’t even considered a crime.
I hope he doesn’t get caught, also. Because the same laws that protect those fucking ghouls will crush him for bringing attention to the grift.
Like I said, making exceptions is always a bad idea. It’s how these fuck heads even get away with it. But at the same time I can’t agree with exceptions even if I agree with the reason behind it.
The point is that there are already exceptions.
they’re comfortable, well paid, successful people who will never see a day in jail.
They also run the risk of getting assassinated by the people who they have exploited, so we’ll see how comfortable they remain in the future.
Making exceptions is never a good idea.
Why not? The whole reason we have judicial discretion is that every crime departs from the platonic ideal in one way or another.
The working class has been losing a class war for decades without ever properly noticing that it was happening. Working Americans have been dying in that war, and now someone struck back.
I’ll be sold on the “no exceptions” ideal when we haul in the corporate murderers alongside the people who fought back.
Jury nullification is the other acceptable option.
Yeah, that’s kinda my point. The system is fucked beyond repair specifically because these people running the companies get exceptions. These people have basically let thousands of people die for the sake of money. So like I said before, murder is murder and should be treated as such.
I just hope he doesn’t get caught.
he will get caught. they already have his photo, he is not professional hitman, he can only evade for so long when there is the whole country’s law enforcement after him.
Except the photo they have of him with his face visible isn’t even the same guy. Doesn’t even have the same clothes or backpack. So unless this dude is proficient at changing his clothes and ditching a backpack all while riding an electric scooter down the street in New York, then they have the wrong guy in that photo.
wtf are you talking about? they have multiple photos and it is obviously the same person
The multiple photos with a face showing, has a different coat, hood, and backpack. Go look again.
can you link what you mean?
Sure thing:
https://sh.itjust.works/post/29120957
The hoods don’t even match. And the backpacks are different too, one had light gray straps, the other is black. And basically 50% of NYC dudes carry black backpacks.
you do understand that these photos are from different place and different time, right?
the black backpack seems more like some shoulder duffel bag to me i assume it is from the hostel checkin. people don’t travel around the city with the same luggage they used for inter-city travel.
people also can have different clothes for different occasion, like putting on some light rain or wind-proof jacket. it can also be shitty compression from some shitty camera.
it is the same person ffs, look at his face, that nose could have passport of its own.
Maybe get a fine for .0005% of their net worth. You know, so they don’t do it again.
That’s how it works, right?
Even if he’s caught. Dudes going to get off if he demands a Jury trial. Not a single middle class or poor individual in America has a positive relationship with health insurance. Hell how does a prosecutor even screen jurors for this type of trial?
Bribery
yes, of course. and found not guilty, to send a message.
Do you want to see the people who killed Osama Bin Laden prosecuted?
Because the United Heath CEO killed far more people, including many more children, than Bin Laden did on 9/11.What murderer? There’s an alleged person who allegedly may or may not have allegedly done something that allegedly resulted in the alleged death of that CEO. Allegedly.
Unfortunately this is America, and as members of Congress have publicly stated, there’s just nothing we can do about domestic gun violence. So even if an alleged person allegedly committed an alleged crime with a firearm, the system’s hands are tied.
Oh well. Anyway I’m gonna go eat some cake, since it’s all I have.
🎵🎶 jury nullification 🎵🎶
I am not from the US. How many jurors are there in the trial? And don’t they have to all agree? There would definitely be at least one bootlicker or paid off person.
Twelve. Pretty sure one can hang the jury. In that case they’d probably retry him. All 12 would have to agree to aquit.
Correct. Jury trials in the US need unanimity from the 12 jurors to either establish guilt or innocence. Anything other than unanimity is a hung jury. Source: I’ve been a member of two juries that went to trial and reached unanimity. Also, be aware that a single juror holding out against the other jurors will go through intense pressure to adopt the prevailing opinion. The other jurors will be pissed that that one person is prolonging the process by days, especially when the judge keeps sending them back to keep deliberating and hopefully reach a unanimous decision. Jury nullification should not be taken lightly as it’s not a walk in the park.
Yes, I do.
I want the state to make it crystal clear that this guy was the shooter. That he did it. That he had no legal justification to do it. That his actions were undeniably criminal, and that his crime was clearly premeditated.
And then I want a jury of his peers to return a “not guilty” verdict, and every scumbag business executive across the country suddenly deciding to take an early retirement.
His jury can’t return that not guilty verdict if he isn’t prosecuted.
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Do you even know what those words mean? Why do you even want a legal hearing when this was a clear case murder. He’ll be convicted for murder. Because that’s what happened. And the law is rigid in that.
I think you meant you want to see no sentencing. That’s up to the courts. But there’s no way he isn’t guilty of murder. The only reason we’re all up in arms saying “good” is because the person who was murdered may have quite frankly deserved it.
If that’s how you feel, look up jury nullification.
I personally don’t see any murder here though…
Weird that you feel this strongly based of media cycle. We don’t know what happened besides that a parasite is fead which is good
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For the social agreement society has, it’s irrelevant if you think this person is a hero or a villain, they need to be tried by a jury of their peers in a court of law.
If they are not, then the social agreement that we don’t go around murdering people, no matter the intent changes and life becomes very difficult.
That social agreement had been broken long ago by the elites like the one recently targeted. It’s funny that only now when someone finally responds in kind that it is suddenly so important.
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So the answer seems to be, to take up arms and go murder people our own personal ethics deem should be shot?
What if that’s you? What if someone didn’t agree with your actions and what they had read online, walked up and shot you dead, is that ok?
I don’t know your politics (and don’t really care) what if that guy had not missed, and shot Trump? That ok because trump is a cheat, a felon and will destroy a country to many people, he has destroyed lives, murdered people (via the US Military as commander and chief). He also empowers people like the CEO who got shot. There are a lot of people who think that guy should not be sent to prison had he not missed.
I’m not disagreeing, the guy who was CEO of a company murdering people… 100% agree…
The actions however warrant good discussion on where is the line?
However there has to be some sort of line which is social not personal or we may as just as well start the purge…
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Just answer the question
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Sometimes people provide a public service to humanity is very dark ways. Do not turn this guy in.
The murderer of that innocent man needs to be brought to justice.
You mean the man who’s company let sick people die by denying proper healthcare, all for the sake of profits? That innocent man? Do not turn this guy in.
By your logic everyone who works any job deserves to die. Your logic is not logical.
That makes literally no sense
It makes sense. He worked a job, other people work a job. Same thing.
“I can’t believe they threw me in jail. I pulled a trigger on a gun and shot someone. But other people pull triggers on nail guns all the time and don’t go to jail! It’s the same thing!”
That’s you right now. Two things can be described by the same action but have very different effects, both morally and legally.
Your analogy isn’t logical whereas mine is.
A real life billionaire boot licker I see…
Just Someone who does not believe that people should be gunned down for no reason.
That’s not implied by their logic at all. Not every person is in a position of power like this CEO was, the majority of people don’t have a job that denies people necessary healthcare, and many people will not make the choice to be unethical like this CEO chose.
I understand, and disagree with, the argument that vigilante justice is completely uncalled for but you’re not doing your argument justice here
Murder is not justified for someone working a job people don’t like.
If someone’s job is to cause death and suffering and they profit from it then yeah maybe they should face the same.
Calling what this guy did for a living “just a job” is absurd.
It’s not his job to cause death. It was his job to run a company.
A company where the stated objective was to prioritize profit at the cost of human life. That’s a job to cause death.
The people working for that company are not likely to be in a position to quit over ethical issues, as they are trying to feed their families, but the CEO of that company made decisions that directly impacted other people lives and likely killed many. If he didn’t want to deny claims for care, he could have resigned. Instead, he profited.
His job was to cause death. As is the job of all for-profit health care companies.
You could say the same thing about a manager at McDonald’s. They don’t deserve to die.
Do you say this when people die as result of his profit seeking?
Do people who work at any company and get murdered should have their killers celebrated? It’s the same thing.
How is it the same thing
Because he worked at a job and other people work at a job. Same thing.
You are a mindless zombies.
Please tell me you’re not trolling, and have an actual working brain to understand your idiocy.
Insulting people isn’t a nice thing to do. Blocking you.
Do the smart thing, instead of arguing with people who think premeditated homicide can be justified just take advantage of these posts to block those people. Lemmy doesn’t have that big of a community so if you actually take the time to block them you’ll see a lot less of extremist brainwashed people in your feed
I have been blocking people. There’s so many people to block.
Soooo many accounts blocked the last few days. Bad things can happen to bad people without frothing at the mouth and going full bloodlust, but so many people here seem incapable of that.
I get it, the victim could not be any more unsympathetic. But the responses here are beyond sickening. Thank you for being level headed; I appreciate you.
Yes, I cannot believe how many people would like to see those they don’t like just gunned down in cold blood. What is next? You don’t like the homeless person on the corner so you just shoot them in the head?
Yo bro are you a ceo? Are you related to the dude that got got? Your hard on for “justice” for the ceo is really weird
I’m just into morality. Murder is wrong.
An answer to a different question, but if he gets caught I hope that the media gives him the same treatment as school shooters; plastering his image everywhere, distributing his manifesto and transforming him into an antihero.
Update: It’s happening!
Jury selection question to weed out biased jurors: “Have you ever had a claim that was unfairly denied?”
Weeks later: “We have been unable to find enough jurors to try the case.”
ITT: Nobody understands the difference between being prosecuted and convicted.
He should absolutely be prosecuted, he murdered someone. Should he be convicted of this murder? Fuck no, and I actually think a jury might agree with me.
