wiki-user: Aatube

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  • you’re right, but “Business owners are (generally) not your allies in the class war, no matter how small or large their business is.” is a mentality from 120 years ago. (to borrow an expression now co-opted by (sigh) LLMs, the backsliding in the past 50 years is just a drop in the bucket when compared to the improvements that absorbing the Soviet Union’s social policies brought the world.)

    the difference between then and now is enough to require radical change to that quote. back then, the middle class was opposed to the proletariat. now, you are the middle class and you agree with uniting with the proletariat to oppose the hyperbourgeois. if you are not blue-collar nor an “unskilled” laborer, you are middle-class.







  • why shouldn’t we tell people to boycott the tech until then?

    because attestation the conspiracy to use attestation has not activated and i believe the damage is too small even if it did; i’ve argued how TPM reliance would be impossible for a very long time.

    that doesn’t solve the threat of a hardware attestation toggle.

    just like how Let’s Encrypt made acquiring certs (essentially a requirement for new websites now thanks to HTTPS, just like what you say passkey attestation is) extremely easy, the equivalent for passkeys would make new attestation providers quite easy, since the equivalent authority would be trusted

    I disagree.

    Why so? What about passkey attestation requires each user to issue a certificate?


  • no, i was saying Let’s Encrypt solved HTTPS’s problems. before it HTTPS had the problems people claim passkeys’ attestation certificate chain has. it is very possible an authority equivalent to Let’s Encrypt will come about within the 16 years after 2021.

    the average person doesn’t need an passkeys certificate issued either. using a passkey is the equivalent of HTTPS’s TLS packets, not making a new certificate.


  • there’s formats other than TPM like Apple and FIDO U2F, so I don’t think Apple, Yubikey (which chairs the standard’s working group), and the password manager industry (which already does passkeys) would just let that happen.

    i am not convinced regarding TPMs

    i am not convinced regarding TPMs, and I agree with the FSF on 90% of other things they say. the essay assumes that making a DRM-free copy will be made hard enough that it’s very impactful (“no excuse for the system” doesn’t really faze me). (c.f. PDFs already technically support prohibiting copying. Nearly all PDF readers support overriding this feature. c.f. email read receipts. c.f. the massive multieclecticism of software to open the same type of document and the aging hulk that is most companies’ IT infrastructure. c.f. “Microsoft quietly extends Windows 10’s extra security updates program for free”.) even if that somehow does happen, partly thanks to how inconvenient that’d make sharing and how companies often need a dozen people to access the same document, there will be somehow a way to share keys.

    on that note (of my last sentence under the spoiler), you’ve also missed the point of https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/76949971/28679239 , which is not the first paragraph.

    it’s not something the average citizen needs or uses a lot, unlike potentially passkeys

    i would certainly say the average citizen uses HTTPS a lot

    Let’s Encrypt is a non-profit while the common Passkey server-side storage vendors don’t seem to be

    (context for onlookers: Let’s Encrypt is the most popular certificate authority, while the analogous to attestation is the concept of certificate authorities and not any one certificate authority.)

    Let’s Encrypt was only founded in 2012 (and announced 2014) with general availability in 2016, while the current HTTPS standard with certificate authorities had been around since 2000. Passkeys, 2021. I think fairness is something the world needs.