Malkhodr

Thank you for the clarification. I think I understand now.

My understanding is that when a color revolution fails, which is becoming increasingly common as imperialism develops, along with the Global South’s understanding of imperialism, the US increasingly turns to sowing chaos and destruction through protracted terror campaigns rather then parasitically yanking organic movements in whatever direction they want.

Essentially the color coup is a development from the color revolution because movements in the global south have gotten wise to Washington’s tactics. Therefore, since the US can no longer attain their goals by latching onto these movements, they do there best to anhilate all functioning of governments they target.

The west is also on the decline meaning they have to resort to these more desperate tactics compared to before.

I’m now interested in the way things develop from here.

As we can see with Gaza, the western myth of humanitarian concern is shattered. This along with the increasingly aggressive sentiment of the US, even towards their vassels, makes it obvious to all of the global south that the US has no concern for people’s conditions of life and only carew about furthering its political goals.

The increased use of these color coups over color revolutions, though concering, potentially opens some doors, or more accurately, closes a large amount of looping paths.

With the increase of these color coups and terror campaigns, the more likely that the global south gains wider awareness of such simple tactics. It forces these movements and countries to burn the bridge of western compliance. More over, it makes obvious that the answer to this issue is through unity with other members of the global south. A chain is broken by its weakest link, therefore pressure from the rest of the global south to not be that weakest link will mount.

In a way this increased brutality will isolate the west further and create an enemy in their victims who is increasingly united.

I expect that initially this strategy will he successful, a shock of sorts, however I think it will quickly burn out its effectiveness as globalized brutality is unsustainable. We may then see countries begin taking measures similar to the Sahel revolutions in order to combat this new development, leading to the west fully committing to these campaigns.

Eventually sparse interconnected regional alliances who turned to “authoritarianism”, as the west will call it, will cooperate with another to cover there weaknesses against the western terror plots.

Perhaps my view is too hopeful or I am missing a key factor but, I honestly think these color coups may be, though initially more brutal, significantly less compotent then the former color revolutions.

I’m still a bit confused on all the differences between a color coup and color revolution.

Is the article stating that color coups forgoe the idea of taking control over the state and instead are entirely focused on making governing impossible? That doesn’t seem to me any different from the stages before a color revolution.

Why is Syria today under Jolani a color coup vs a color revolution? The brutality of it seems consistent with Latin American color revolutions like Chile.

The use of a protracted terror seems more like a tactic that the West uses to take advantage of in West Asia rather then a new devolpment. If they could instigate these kinds of terror cells in Latin America in the event that their first color revolution attempt failed, would they not do it?

The article is definitely informative and is a useful resource however I’m still not entirely sure I understand the difference between a color revolution and color coup.

It was a very funny interaction I must admit.

I got called liberal idealist for sharing this article on reddit once.

I don’t concede the point. I used to but for the reasons stated above I’ve stopped, and tried to get other people in my community to follow that decision as well.

Thanks

Thank you

I’ve been recommended Palo Alto before by fellow Californian comrades. Any suggestions on where to obtain it?

I love how their response was functionally “nuh uh”

"Veneer of improved material conditions"is wild when there’s clearly been an increase in real wages, purchasing power of the average Chinese citizen, technological and infrastructural advances implemented across Chinese soceity.

Things that have direct measurable increases and decreases which clearly illustrate an improvement in quality of life for the average person are only illusionary changes to material conditions.

Of course anything they say afterwards should be dismissed, they are not living in reality yet are staunchly declare that their ideological commitment is to materialism. There idea of improvement to material conditions is thusly incapable of being reflected by measurable or observable phenomenon, but instead a subject of theoretical interpretation where their own scrutiny is absolute.

I feel this in my bones. Previously I used to concede that the Muslim world and its leaders were corrupt, as it’s quite obvious many do not have the best interest of their people (you will never get me to praise the UAE or Saudi). However I’ve stopped conceding this point because of a couple reasons.

1. I was able to reflect on the fact that this tendency of mine was based on an internalized embarrassment for being Muslim in the west which I’d yet not reckoned with. I’ve since then largely addressed this unwarranted shame and would like to help the rest if my community confront it where I see it is prominent.

2. Why should I concede that every single Muslim country is in any way less trustworthy then the West without forcing the one essentially claiming that to prove it thoroughly. It’s not my job to do a comparative analysis on a claim that they make without evidence.

3. The US has shown it is far and away more diplomatically hostile to countries who don’t toe their line then China is. They’ve actively overthrown governments across the world for the last century over the premise that it was in the “American” interest. These countries have every reason to be more inline with the US out of fear of retaliation then they do with China. Countries like Türkeya are known for funding acual separatist groups who operated in Xinjiang, along with originally spreading the Uyghur myth. However China does not have icy relations with them, how exactly does that say China will punish your country for saying something regarding their domestic affairs.

So I’ve stopped conceding the Muslim country corruption talking point because it’s utterly nonsense in the conversation relative to reality. Westerners have no business butting into and commenting on the affairs of Muslim countries. They can shove off and let our community discuss it ourselves, but until they do that, those conversation get delayed.

I think the term “can” is doing some heavy lifting. But I’ve met quite a few people from the YDSA which I’d easily call comrades. If individuals such as those continue to gain influence in the DSA I can definitely imagine them to be a much greater threat to the ruling class.

A good rule of thumb is assessing whether a local chapter us more focused on unionizing workplaces or of pushing through electoral reform. The chapters attempting the former are often more principled then the ones that spend their efforts doing the latter.