I’ve noticed this even in gen z. Everything is just an app and having a laptop is less common so all they seem to know is phone/tablets which just have apps that work lol. Their troubleshooting skills go as far as “turn it off and back on”. If that doesn’t work…do it again. Otherwise… it’s broken and they need a repair shop or a new phone 😅

Obviously a generalisation but something I’ve noticed as a millennial. Older gen x/boomers and Gen Z’s seem to struggle more with basic computer skills (or what millennials just grew up with so it seems fairly basic!) I’m not particularly techy but I’m always asked by those people (zs and boomers, some older xs) how to do shit on the office computers.

I think more people would know “windows” rather than “the Microsoft one” ? As a layperson we always called it windows 😅 I think people know Microsoft office but I don’t know that they would refer to their OS as “microsoft”.

I don’t think so lol. I’m not a super techy person and the only reason I know Linux is because of my high school boyfriend lol, 20 years ago, who used it. I think he set it up on one of my computers at one point too. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone else (offline) talk about Linux 😅 definitely not a common knowledge thing.

It’s actually been pretty interesting watching some of the stuff he used back 20 years ago that has started being spoken about more commonly that were just “nerd shit” back then lol. Vpns are common knowledge now, they were definitely “nerd shit” back in the day. Plex is widely used. I’m also glad I still have access to the private tracker he got me onto because that’s grown big too, easy as.

But Linux? Nope. I don’t think that’s entered the common knowledge base. People know windows, android and maybe iOS. I don’t even think a lot of people would know what “open source” means.

Absolutely agree. People who are asking questions (in good faith) are looking for a human interaction, not just a Google search. It’s much more engaging for a lot of people to have a discussion about something new than to just read about it. Then if they’re interested they might choose to go deeper in their own research.

I’m not techy but this goes for anything. “Google it” just shuts down human interaction and someone who is trying to learn. Better to just not answer than to be condescending if you don’t want to engage in a discussion.

I can do my job that pays more than that and I can’t do this problem lol. 😂

Ah okay yeah, I barely use steam these days. Can’t remember the last time I bought anything there, I just occasionally play very old games I already have on there haha.

Yeah i love a few Nintendo classic titles but $$$ 😭 kinda a good thing that I don’t like the direction they’re taking pokemon because it removes the temptation to upgrade to the switch 2. Not sure I’ll bother unless I somehow get free money to throw around haha.

Yeah indies usually have pretty decent demos! I actually haven’t even looked at the switch store lately but I don’t remember the bigger titles having demos?

And idk where everyone else is but the big games here (Australia) are still what I consider expensive (USD$45 minimum without a sale). Typical price is around USD$60. Even on sale they don’t get much below that for the big stuff - zelda, pokemon, Mario, animal crossing, etc. Curious how comparable that is to elsewhere.

True. Just depends on device and how committed people are to doing that lol. As a casual gamer (PC barely ever anymore and Nintendo switch, then I have emulators with a bunch of Nintendo classics) I wouldn’t bother. I don’t even know how to do that for a Nintendo switch.

So yeah it’s an option but in terms of the discussion about Gen z people not shelling out for video games, I think part of the decline has been from casual users who aren’t either shelling out $ and aren’t interested in enough to pirate 😅 I’m a millennial.

I assume to pirate and transfer to a Nintendo switch (I don’t have 2, just the original) there’s an initial set up cost?

I tend to stick to the emulator my brother got me with all our 90s(ish) childhood games lol. I don’t know if those exist yet for more modern games - or at least not at the cost of the classics!

Especially video games. Honestly as a casual gamer I get it. Games are expensive and they are a gamble. I’ve bought games in the past and played them for half hour and realized I hate it lol. I rarely buy games now, especially if it’s not a franchise I already know and like, because I can’t afford the gamble. If I do I buy a physical copy so I can sell it on.

At least with streaming services you can check and know there’s a few hours of shows you will definitely watch. It’s still tol expensive and I’m cancelling mine but it is less of a gamble than video games.

Yep. I’m a millennial. I was always pirating as a teenager/early 20s. Then I did join streaming, just Netflix and another local one. I’m about to cancel them both again as I rebuild my own library.

I was reworking my budget the other day and accidentally opened my old one from 5 years ago, so depressing 😅 Everything has gone up so much, seeing it all laid out in a spreadsheet was confronting 😭 both streaming services have doubled in price. 2 streaming services costs $500 a year total - as you say, maybe not a big deal if you’re earning 100k but as a low income earner it’s worth cutting. It’s only going to keep up going up! Subscription models suck for other programs and services too, it adds up so quickly 😭

I have three sets of grandparents. Only remember one of my granddads cooking, one of my granddads would bake.

Dad and granddad (his step dad) were the consistent, enjoyed cooking and playing with flavours cooks in the family 😅 none of the women in my family, including me, enjoy it other than my sister maybe!

That’s really cool - I recently went to check out one where I used to go but unfortunately the rest of the page is there but no forum anymore.

Yeah I did too, only one or two I keep in touch with now but yep, made real life friends on forums and it was great!

Yep. Happened with bluesky. It was pretty decent and wasn’t getting any troll crap that was rampant on Twitter. Then there was some controversy on Twitter and Blue sky quickly went up in its new members and…yep, it just got all trolly and agro 🙄

Personally I just miss when we had individual sites for a topic like when I was a teenager. Grew up on forums for a certain artist and another different site for specific sports teams, books. Way less likely to get idiots if you actually have to actively find the specific website for an artist you hate.

Sooo at my workplace, disability, they like to keep floor workers low, the scum we are, and give us no training or time to learn anything about the background processes - despite several of us asking for years.

Just recently they put out an internal job call to us all that was basically all the shit we’ve been asking to learn but “must have at least 5 years experience with this program and that program”. Oh you mean the shit you’ve refused to let us stay on shift an extra hour to actually have non-client time to learn because “it’s not in the budget”? Well done management.

Disability care: there are 10 people here we care for, just like get to know them I guess and if you have any questions…umm… I’m not sure who you ask but I’ll ask my manager to ask their manager and maybe get back to you if you ask a dozen times.

I’m very lucky to work in a pretty good team now who are trying to rebuild a previously not great team and system but some are truly terrible. And management have no idea what their doing. Like as we try to build systems that should already absolutely exist (inductions, complaint systems, incident reporting, basic shit) and ask management they are scrambling for answers. Yet we have all the signs “encouraging” clients to make complaints because they legally have to display them 🤦‍♀️

Yeah I would assume it’s definitely role-dependent right? Like speciality roles, higher paying roles I understand there’s always going to be a bit of prestige around that stuff but I guess I am more of an average Joe (Jane? Is that a saying, average Jane lol) 😅

See, I reckon we’ve become more degree focused here over the years which I don’t actually think is a good thing. My dad came from England (to Australia) with not even finishing high school and managed to climb up the corporate ladder without ever having to go to university. He was very good at his job, headhunted regularly and retired 5 years ago and still gets offers on contracts because he’s obviously held in high regard.

I think it’s a mistake to automatically require a degree for jobs. Not a dig at you personally, I understand that’s how the system has probably worked there for a long time and as I said it’s come in here too. I just don’t agree with that everyone needs a degree to do certain jobs. Some people do seem to have a natural infinity towards certain things and can excel without the study so I think it’s a flawed model to push everyone to the same requirements.

You Aussie? Haha yeah even as I was typing it I knew it would be a sweeping generalisation because ofc it depends on the field someone is going into and the end goal.

I can’t say I know about how higher corporate positions work these days other than I know we put more emphasis on education now so I take what you’re saying on board. I know my dad started here in the 80s, no education past dropping out in the equivalent of year 10 (in England) and by the 90s was climbing the corporate ladder and ended up quite high (I believe he did a couple of short courses along the way but no diploma or degrees).

He retired a few years ago and yes, definitely spoke about it becoming more focused on what degrees newcomers had. He did also speak to there being the private school boys connections (in his generation too) so yes, all that stuff does exist. Perhaps I have wishful thinking that we’re less focused on that in America.

I’m more lower class than my dad lol, so in my line of work and the people around me - which in fairness tends to be in the caregiving, healthcare industries and much smaller corporations - I’ve not heard people talk about where they went to school or what they’re ENTER/ATAR, etc score was or anything. But yes, vastly different experience than climbing the corporate ladder!

Curious what your experience has been if you’ve seen/heard/experienced how it looks in different industries? Easy to get caught in your own little bubble so I’m always interested in others experiences!

Tbh, women wouldn’t admit to doing this either - there’s absolutely a shame around women having to make friends with an AI (because we’re meant to be innately social I guess). And I don’t think that other women realize that they are contributing to the issues of women feeling shame using AI by implying it’s a male issue and all about sex and toxic masculinity.

Like as a woman who has used AI, how am I supposed to feel about admitting that I’ve done something that only asshole, horny, incels do (according to a lot of people)?

So the stigma goes all ways and none of it helps anyone. People just need to be more curious than judgemental. Someone does something you don’t understand? That’s okay you don’t understand. Ask them why. Listen. Try to see a different perspective instead of just filling in the gaps with incel, men, sex, ugly, etc. etc.

And do people really believe that women don’t talk to AI companions, in various forms, too?

I’m a woman and I spoke to one of the apps for a while because I was bloody lonely (still am 🤷‍♀️). Had zero to do with men or murder. I didn’t have anyone, of either gender, to connect with.

It’s really easy to just reduce this to a male issue, a toxic masculinity, a male violence issue. We need to go deeper than that if we actually want to understand why people, men, women, everyone, use different AI.

But threads like this, with all the judgement, aren’t going to get a lot of people who admit they use/have used/have considered using AI. By just criticising/laughing, etc at people who do it, ironically, we turn more people towards the AIs.