The admin literally admitted he did the wrong thing, you just want to hate vegans.

The admin banned a user who was calmly linking scientific papers and giving gentle explanations to a user belligerently claiming it was impossible yes.

Beaver, subshine, aqua, and others are all the same person.

She moderated !vegan@lemmy.world for a while with myself and others. She caused endless drama and became increasingly derranged. After we lost interest in light of the lemmy.world admins anti vegan and antiscientific stance and handed over the community she kept an alt with mod powers. She then used the powers weeks later to cause problems for the new mod.

On vtc she became increasingly derranged and harassy. Appears fixated on Hamid, and constantly posts shit to those dumb harassment/drama communities. Like every little thing Hamid said. It was dumb as fuck, I don’t agree with Hamid on some things but he was just running a chill instance for vegans to enjoy each other’s company.

Yeah it sucks. Between crypto and machine learning hardware is absolutely fucked. I’m hoping it’ll settle down a bit when people realise that llm’s are not going to make god from a machine but we shall see.

Hadn’t considered Singapore, assumed it’d be expensive since land is and they’re rich as fuck. I guess power is cheap since their billionaires are taking all the gas here and selling it back haha. Compute seems relatively affordable for a RTT of 110 ms.

Probably rules out like fighting games and other similar frame perfect stuff but that’s definitely not too bad. 6 frame delay probably isn’t noticeable on anything turn based, or many RPGs and the like.

Tell me more of this frankencomputer.

I’m not broke by any means, but lower end of average household income in an extremely expensive place. Groceries have gone up about 4 fold in the last 5 years (50 bucks used to feed 2 for a week, lol lmao now. Beans went from 3 dollars a kg dry to 11 etc) so certain things are on the chopping block.

I was looking at the cost for a “2k” oled monitor and appropriate computer and haha, hahaha, hahahahahahahaha I have medical bills and shit lmao. Not paying like 3-5k to play the 1 or 2 increasingly bad modern games I want to.

Since Google has infinite money they probably ran local compute.

dbzero is federates with both. They’re honestly not bad. I think there’s a bit of a moral panic around them because usaians aren’t used to seeing anti-usa opinions be mainstream.

The one thread I saw on hexbear about Russia for example was people lamenting how horrible it is for lgbt people there. Expressing frustration and anger at Putin’s regime, and expressing frustration at the role usa policy has played in his rise and the reactionary political culture there.

you might disagree with the degree to which the usa government is responsible but that hardly seems like a community where dissent against Putin is crushed.

Idk, at any rate the vegan communities are awesome. Mander is a good instance with good users, although I think it’s natural science focused and unsure if it’s appropriate for a vegan community. Dunno about the other.

I can only speak for myself but I appreciate the effort. Realistically I don’t have high hopes for the longevity of this comm. I assume one or another of the antivegan admins will continue to find whatever flimsy reason to shut down discussions that make them unhappy.

I strongly recommend anyone interested in reading about veganism on the fediverse check out the comms on vegantheoryclub or hexbear. If your server doesn’t federate (e.g. world) make an account on one that does. Both of those places are administrated by vegans and suck a lot less.

Well personally I do think we have a moral obligation to reduce harm and I don’t see a good reason to privilege the life of one animal over another (humans included). Veganism as an ideology however is about what is practicable, and while it appears that cats can be transitioned it is very early days and can only be done responsibly if you are in a position to afford medical oversight and understand how to select correctly formulated foods.

As a vegan I am against pet keeping, but lots of abandoned animals exist and they need care there aren’t institutions to provide so they end up in homes. I have a couple of rescue dogs living with me atm for example. In situations like this I think where possible we have a responsibility to juggle their needs and desires with broader harms. Like I don’t let the dogs I care for hunt wildlife for fun, and give them enriching search games instead.

Abstracting away that death through food doesn’t really change it.

But we’re not insane, it’s early days and while evidence suggests for cats its possible it isn’t trivial and should be attempted responsibly, which nobody involved in this shitshow was claiming otherwise. The only people denying reality are the banned commentator who was saying that cats cannot survive on plant in the face of patient explanations by another user and the lemmy.world admin who tried to remove that user’s comments in favour of the science denying ones.

No I was unremoving comments of someone explaining how a plant based diet can be safe, who also acknowledged that a whole food plant based diet would be lethal. In explaining why I was I also acknowledging that a whole food plant based diet would be lethal.

Cats can survive on a plant based diet, but only one carefully formulated and processed with additional supplements. If you try to keep mr fluffypaws alive on carrots and lentils he will die.

I point out this acknowledgement as it flies in the face of the alleged action of promoting harm to animals. You can check the modlog for the full hilarity /shrug

I was removed for stating that synthetic taurine is a thing which is used in food all the time and that a whole food plant based diet would kill a cat. according to the admin this is promoting dangerous actions.

Synthetic taurine is a thing and is widely used in formulated food. Cats are sometimes taken off meat based diets due to medical complications. The posts you removed were reasonable and explained why in good faith, the other poster made wild asertions not based on modern evidence and made anti-reality claims such as synthetic nutrients not being equivalent and ‘meat’ needs being scientific fact.

They violate the rules of this comm and you are overreaching by interfering.

All companion animals should recieve regular health checks by vets, and any major dietary changes should be done with medical oversight but that doesn’t mean it isn’t possible. Obviously a wfpbd will kill a cat, as the poster you censored pointed out. Your closeness is affecting your judgement here, and you cannot ‘own’ a sentient being.

You’re conflating very different processes here. While there is the hard problem of consciousness and we can’t falsify ideas like panpsychism consider a few things.

If you amputate my hand and press on it it will emit nervous signals. Does anyone feel pain? If you destroy most of my brain but keep me alive, then stab me almost all the nervous activity and hormones etc associated with injury will happen. Is there any reason to believe there is any pain felt?

I would say no in both cases, pain is not emitting nervous impulses, or something that precedes releasing endorphins and inflammatory factors etc. Pain cannot even necessarily be reliably correlated with stress markers like heart rate, and in the case of phantom limb syndrome pain can even be associated with a complete lack of signals.

There are good evolutionary reasons to exhange information and resources, even unwittingly. Apparently some bacteria in my tummy are in conversation with my body constantly but I’m not at all aware or actively participating in that. Maintaing pain only really seems to offer advantage if you can do something about it, while it’s possible for things to exist accidentally it’s not like grass can move to places without mowers or trees shade themselves. In all animals with nervous systems the nervous systems are the vastly most expensive thing to keep alive. In fact there are a few creatures who when entering an immobile stage of life rapidly digest their own (a good explaination for both tenure and retirees!).

Plants don’t have rapid long distance communication in their bodies, they don’t have centralised organs, they don’t even have anything approaching the levels of activity we associate with the simplest nervous systems.

It’s probably best to think of grass “screaming” as skin cells “screaming” for resources to make more melanin when exposed to UV. Or lymph nodes “screaming” when releasing hormones to heal a wound and stuff. This is all vastly below the level of consciousness.

Or whatever, embrace panpsychism, like the invisible dragon in my garage nobody can prove it false /shrug. Animals eat plants though and thermo law 2 is a thing so even panpsychics minimise suffering by being plant based.

Seems well adjusted. I’d keep my kids away from them if I were you.

Silly vegoon, only the cute animals I didn’t want to eat have feelings. The others are unfeeling slabs of meat that is magically created by wholesome farmers being folksy.

One of the points in my waking up to carnism was when I mentioned an interest in hunting rabbits (a so called invasive pest here) over dinner with my family as a late teen.

My father expressed an incredible disgust at the idea of hunting, made some comment about sadists or something. The rest of my family were more reserved but similarly aghast, that I would be willing to participate in the process by which meat, which we were eating, was created represented some sort of character flaw.

Yet at the time we had gone fishing, and I had done work experience on a farm. I volunteered at the school farm and had raised broiler chickens and helped load them onto a truck to a slaughterhouse.

It made me realise how utterly disconnected we all were and how the people around me were utterly repulsed by the violence required for their pleasures.

I moved out shortly after and went pescatarian largely due to the soul searching that prompted. Becoming vegan later when I realised Nirvana lied to me.

isn’t it just? My favourite is “While 99% of all meat comes from factory farms, no one eats that meat.”

Not a single person I’ve ever spoken to about veganism, not at demonstrations or privately, has ever admitted to eating factory farmed meat.

Is it all some bizarre welfare system? the butchers/supermarkets/delies just buy it from the farmers and throw it out?

Nutritious meals based on lentils/legumes are astonishingly cheap. wtf are you smoking? mock sausage etc is a luxury good, it is not a standard feature in any diet.

you get that this wouldn’t work as a critique if it was obvious you could make different choices right? Then it wouldn’t make the player complicit. If you’re not complicit it’s just a game saying “military shooters could be different” which is a nothing statement.

Like how games with a “get the information (evil)” and “get the information (good)” button aren’t offering real moral choices. Or how deus ex would lose all impact if the “here’s a gun, go kill these people” starting mission tempting you with a rocket launcher popped up a “you might change sides in the future” warning.

By involving you, leading you just like any other military shooter for a bit then cutting you loose is what creates the critique. You compare notes after playing and someone points out something and you go “huh, why didn’t I try that?”. It’s not condemning you for not trying that, it’s asking you if you’re happy with a genre which trains you to never to try it.

Military shooter games glorify war and shallowly reward horrible behaviour. Spec ops does it differently.

Majority of people: do horrible thing

Some people: experimental and find heroic thing is rewarded.

Discussion possible, why did the majority do that? could we talk about horrible and uncreative design patterns in the genre of military shooters? How media portrayals of war train us not to look for peaceful solutions? Whether this feeds into how we view American imperial wars?

you: no spec ops bad video game because I didn’t do the good option.