IRC diehard checking in. I prefer IRC to Matrix (been using both daily for a year or two now), but a switch wouldn’t be the end of the world.
Matrix has a high and growing complexity that makes developing a new client/server hard; as the spec grows, devs need to keep updating servers/clients with new features or risk being left behind. IRC clients can be whipped up by an individual in a short amount of time and then enter “maintenance mode”.
System requirements for running a Matrix server are extremely high with Synapse, and not that great with Dendrite and Conduit compared to most IRC implementations because of the need to sync room histories.
Matrix also has a lot of features that I’ve come to find unnecessary/distracting: typing notifications, stickers, profile pics, etc. It’s possible to carve out a subset of the protocol and just use that, but at that point it’s probably better to just use IRC.
So switch from one mostly centralized service being currently taken over by a dodgy crypto-currency linked company (Freenode Inc.) to one that already has been a for-profit dodgy crypto-currency funded company (NewVector/Element) for some years?
Libera.chat is at least run by a Swedish non-profit with all volunteer admins (but is also too centralized).
I don’t see any reason for communities which prefer IRC to make a move to matrix but your comment seems unfounded.
Matrix Foundation, which is a steward of matrix protocol, is a UK non-profit community interest company.
Element is a for-profit but how exactly is it dodgy? It is primarily a FOSS company.
Their only connection to cryptoidiocy I know of is in some experimental P2P matrix implementations.
Read up a bit on the funding history of New Vector Ltd. i.e. about their VC funding and the “strategic” 2018 merger with Status (Ethereum-based chat and crypto wallet app).
The foundation was IMHO only created as an afterthought to make [Matrix] more palatable for the wider OS community.
True, the foundation is not all bad, but at least currently the people in charge of it are the same persons (& close friends) as those running NewVector Ltd. Once that changes significantly I am willing to soften my stance on the foundation itself.
Why libera.chat over Matrix? This seems like a great opportunity to switch.
IRC diehards will never switch. I salute them, as a former party member.
IRC diehard checking in. I prefer IRC to Matrix (been using both daily for a year or two now), but a switch wouldn’t be the end of the world.
Matrix has a high and growing complexity that makes developing a new client/server hard; as the spec grows, devs need to keep updating servers/clients with new features or risk being left behind. IRC clients can be whipped up by an individual in a short amount of time and then enter “maintenance mode”.
System requirements for running a Matrix server are extremely high with Synapse, and not that great with Dendrite and Conduit compared to most IRC implementations because of the need to sync room histories.
Matrix also has a lot of features that I’ve come to find unnecessary/distracting: typing notifications, stickers, profile pics, etc. It’s possible to carve out a subset of the protocol and just use that, but at that point it’s probably better to just use IRC.
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So switch from one mostly centralized service being currently taken over by a dodgy crypto-currency linked company (Freenode Inc.) to one that already has been a for-profit dodgy crypto-currency funded company (NewVector/Element) for some years?
Libera.chat is at least run by a Swedish non-profit with all volunteer admins (but is also too centralized).
I don’t see any reason for communities which prefer IRC to make a move to matrix but your comment seems unfounded.
Matrix Foundation, which is a steward of matrix protocol, is a UK non-profit community interest company.
Element is a for-profit but how exactly is it dodgy? It is primarily a FOSS company. Their only connection to cryptoidiocy I know of is in some experimental P2P matrix implementations.
Read up a bit on the funding history of New Vector Ltd. i.e. about their VC funding and the “strategic” 2018 merger with Status (Ethereum-based chat and crypto wallet app).
The foundation was IMHO only created as an afterthought to make [Matrix] more palatable for the wider OS community.
From the blog by status:
This does sour my view of Element.
Matrix Foundation might have been an afterthought but it still is a valid step in ensuring at least some independence of the protocol from Element.
True, the foundation is not all bad, but at least currently the people in charge of it are the same persons (& close friends) as those running NewVector Ltd. Once that changes significantly I am willing to soften my stance on the foundation itself.