It is an more private alternative to Discord. Even tough they do not offer federation, self-hosting servers is possible, but self-hosting Dms is not possible. Matrix does not have separated voice and text chats in one server, aka Discord style. Is it better to use Revolt for now or create our own Federated Discord alternative?


9urte bat

Matrix is working on dedicated voice channels, and there’s also that cinny client that makes it look like discord.

Pretty much any non-federated chat type system is dead in the water imo, no one should be dedicating developer time to them.

yep, cinny is great client that has a look similar to discord.

3urte bat

Are they actually working on dedicated voice channels? This issue on it has been locked 1,5 years ago stating they don’t have the resources to do it, indicating it’s a very low priority issue them.

I remembered and tracked down this comment made by Matthew on HN 4 months ago - I’ve been trying to pay attention to pain points that prevent my friends from trying out federated services. He seems to acknowledge the issue / distinction between discord’s voice channels and what matrix is lacking:

And further down:

Thanks all for the responses - the whole “matrix doesn’t have voice channels” thing is much clearer now: it’s not the hard bit (voice/video conferencing!) but just the UX of how it’s hooked up. This we can fix :)

I’m not sure if there is anything more recent about it though.

urte bat

Yeah, almost everything really is a UX problem after Spaces fixed the community limitations. Element still desperately needs a UX overhaul.

E: Matthew’s comments also frustrate me as it’s apparent that no one in the Matrix team has actively used Discord and understand what it does right. Otherwise there’s no way the git issue would have been ignored for 5 years.

Lack of dedicated voice channels is a massive dealbreaker for almost anyone wanting to migrate over from Discord. We all know all the things Discord does wrong, but some desing decisions like dedicated channels really should just be copied over.

3urte bat

Hrm yeah, seems like its getting pushed back. Either way the entire revolt dev team would have been better off working either on cinny, or this one feature alone.
0urte bat

Does cinny have a desktop application? I could only find there browser login.

2urte bat

It’s electron, so you’re better off ram-wise running it in a browser anways, just like revolt.

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