Meanwhile in the real world Russia prevented Ukraine from burning Donbas down. Here’s some footage from CNN about what Ukraine’s been up to since 2014 for you https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296
Sure, and the solution for this is what happened in Bucha, Irpin, Mariupol etc.
The solution was for Ukraine to implement Minsk as it agreed to, but instead Ukraine backed by western scum decided to try and have a war with Russia. There’s a saying called reap what you sow.
LMAO, actually tried to use whataboutism as a form of argument 😂
@yogthos Sure, that’s what an attacked state does, abide by half-assed treaties imposed by their adversary
LMAO, actually tried to use whataboutism as a form of argument
Well, thanks for trying out
Except that Ukraine was the state that attacked its own people in the east after the west did a coup there which resulted in a civil war. Russia tried to find a diplomatic solution for 8 years while the west and Ukraine refused. Amazing how you managed to forget these important details in your story.
Meanwhile, the saddest part about your attempt to use whataboutism is that it doesn’t even make sense in this context. You continue to demonstrate just how utterly clueless you are here.
Except that Ukraine was the state that attacked its own people
its own puppet government of Russia, also some little green men that were also attacked by Ukraine decided to create a referendum at gunpoint with the only 2 questions of “will you join Russia?” or “will you be independent” (w/o the ability to choose to stay in Ukraine). Which frankly passed with the soviet score of 96.77%, who would’ve guessed.
after the west did a coup there
Sure, if it’s for democracy, it’s a coup
which resulted in a civil war
Where Russia really stuck itself in like a fly on a paper
Russia tried to find a diplomatic solution for 8 years
while keeping shooting at it, because that’s what treaties should allow us to do, besides allowing annexation of countries Belarus-style, which they hoped for.
while the west and Ukraine refused.
Gee, I wonder why
its own puppet government of Russia, also some little green men that were also attacked by Ukraine decided to create a referendum at gunpoint with the only 2 questions of “will you join Russia?” or “will you be independent” (w/o the ability to choose to stay in Ukraine). Which frankly passed with the soviet score of 96.77%, who would’ve guessed.
That’s a really convenient narrative based on the fallacy of homogenizing Ukraine. Let’s take a look at a few slides from this lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 to get a bit of background on the subject. Mearsheimer is certainly not pro Russian in any sense, and a proponent of US global hegemony. First, here’s the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:
here’s how the election in 2004 went:
this is the 2010 election:
As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:
Ukraine is clearly not some homogeneous blob, but a large country with complex cultural and ethnic situations.
And let’s just look at a few facts about Crimea from a US government study. First thing to note is that it was never part of Ukraine proper. US government referred to it as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Second thing to note is that majority of the people in Crimea do not consider themselves Ukrainian, and the biggest demographic considers themselves Russian:
Sure, if it’s for democracy, it’s a coup
It was literally a coup, and this is well documented in western media. One has to be utterly intellectually dishonest to pretend otherwise.
Where Russia really stuck itself in like a fly on a paper
Who do you think lives in Donbas genius?
while keeping shooting at it, because that’s what treaties should allow us to do, besides allowing annexation of countries Belarus-style, which they hoped for.
It was literally Ukraine that kept shelling people in Donbas, but keep trying to pretend that black and white here.
Gee, I wonder why
You wouldn’t if you weren’t an ignoramus.
[…]Ukraine is clearly not some homogeneous blob, but a large country with complex cultural and ethnic situations.[…]
Sure, I was pointing out the fact that the referendum was held at gunpoint with actual Russian soldiers and the fact that there was no question on remaining inside Ukraine (you just seem to pile up links supporting your totally different, unrelated arguments while calling me an ignoramus because I do not take them into account)
well documented in western media
Well documented with Kremlin propaganda and utter bullcr*p. We do know how trolls and Kremlin puppets deal with such things.
Why do you think lives in Donbas genius?
I didn’t quite get the question, but if you were asking about “who” then it depends on who you ask, am I right? /s
