It’s a completely different situation in China. This tech is being treated as open source commodity similar to Linux, and companies aren’t trying to monetize it directly. There’s no crazy investment bonanza happening in China either. Companies like DeepSeek are developing this tech on fairly modest budgets, and they’re already starting to make money https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/30/cnbcs-the-china-connection-newsletter-chinese-ai-companies-make-money.html

I mean the paper and code are published. This isn’t a heuristic, so there’s no loss of accuracy. I’m not sure why you’re saying this is too good to be true, the whole tech is very new and there are lots of low hanging fruit for optimizations that people are discovering. Every few months some discovery like this is made right now. Eventually, people will pluck all the easy wins and it’s going to get harder to dramatically improve performance, but for the foreseeable future we’ll be seeing a lot more stuff like this.

Almost certainly given that it drastically reduces the cost of running models. Whether you run them locally or it’s a company selling a service, the benefits here are pretty clear.

Sure, it’s not a surprising finding since the environment is a stable selection pressure driving evolution. It’s still nice to have these studies to confirm our intuition on the subject.

That’s still interaction with the environment though, what this research shows is that even without any such interaction the structures form. So, they’re not shaped by the environment, but are a type of firmware that’s encoded within the genes.

truly

There has been a theory that the weights for the neural connections get mostly shaped by the environment, but this research shows that there’s effectively firmware wiring that will emerge without any external stimulus.

I haven’t tried it with ollama, but it can download gguf files directly if you point it to a huggingface repo. There are a few other runners like vllm and llama.cpp, you can also just run the project directly with Python. I expect the whole Product of Experts algorithm is going to get adopted by all models going forward since it’s such a huge improvement, and you can just swap out the current approach.

exactly, a great tv series on the subject incidentally https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078588/

Sanctions are not a siege: They target trade and finance. While they hurt the general population (that’s often the point), they are not the primary cause of famine when food distribution and production are controlled by the government.

If that was the case then DPRK would’ve had a famine already before sanctions. Yet, the famine directly coincides with the fall of USSR and the start of sanctions. Clearly the concept of cause and effect is just too complex for you to grasp.

Literally the first sentence from Harvard economists:

GDP was not designed to assess welfare or the well being of citizens. It was designed to measure production capacity and economic growth.

Keep on ignoring facts though as is your custom.

But GDP is the most basic measure of a nation’s capacity to produce wealth.

That’s a meaningless metric without the context of how the wealth is distributed. The whole reason occupied Korea is now in a social crisis is due to the fact that majority of the working population is unable to make ends meet. We don’t even have to make up defectors to find out how bad things are: 75% of young want to escape South Korean ‘Hell’

You’re rejecting

I’m rejecting the imbecilic narrative you’re trying to paint. I guess these types of arguments worked well for you when you were engaging with other fascists on reddit.

When you dismiss every source of information that contradicts the premise of a socialist utopia, you are not engaging in an honest debate; you are simply asserting an ideological fantasy. The evidence of systemic failure is overwhelming. Take care.

LMFAO literally what you’ve been doing throughout this whole discussion. The evidence of you being unable to engage with reality is overwhelming. Take care.

Nobody said sanctions have no effect—that’s a straw man. The point is that sanctions are not the primary cause of mass starvation.

They literally are, and plenty of studies have been done on the subject. Everybody with even a shred of intellectual honesty knows that sanctions are a modern form of siege warfare designed to starve the population.

Sanctions reduce external trade, but when a regime prioritizes the military over its citizens and uses an ideologically rigid farming system (Juche) that fails regardless of external trade, that is mismanagement.

Simply repeating nonsense over and over won’t make it true baby Goebbels.

The leadership decided to let millions starve rather than reform or appeal for help until it was too late.

Ah yes, the leadership was supposed to wave a magic wand around and replace all the food and fertilizer by wishing it into existence. The utter lack of capacity for critical thought on display here is truly stunning.

Sure, here’s the citation

Ah yes, defectors are obviously a reliable source of information who have no ulterior motives. Your intelligence continues to shine bright.

You’re swinging hard against standard economics here.

Buddy, any economist will tell you that GDP is not a measure of standard of living. The only one swinging hard here is you because you’re too ignorant to discuss the subject. Here, go educate yourself instead of continuing to make a clown of yourself in public https://hbr.org/2019/10/gdp-is-not-a-measure-of-human-well-being

This is the central ideological fantasy: A guarantee of low-quality, insufficient welfare is better than the risk of high-quality capitalism.

An amazing straw man you cobbled together there. The fantasy version if DPRK you’re describing sounds fascinating.

I’ll keep believing in the hard facts provided by the UN, the Bank of Korea, and 34,000 eyewitnesses who risked their lives to escape. You stick to the fantasy.

That’s adorable.

This is a spectacular attempt to shift blame. No serious historian blames the US trade embargo for the famine’s death toll.

No, it’s the basic fact of the situation which you, being the troll that you are, continue try to dance around.

This is a spectacular attempt to shift blame. No serious historian blames the US trade embargo for the famine’s death toll.

Yeah, no possible way being cut off from trade could affect the food supply in the country. If sanctions didn’t harm the populations of the target countries then the US wouldn’t be using them. Amazing how this basic detail escaped your genius mind.

Food was hoarded for the military and elite in Pyongyang while regional populations starved.

[citation needed]

A starving population that maintains its birth rate is not an economic win; it’s a social tragedy.

Except that north is no longer starving, while food insecurity is a real problem in the south which your own bleatings claim has a better economic situation 🤡 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12939-023-01937-z

This is a classic defensive move when your system has an objectively pathetic GDP.

GDP is not a measure of quality of life as any economist would tell you. There are actual measures like PQL for that.

GDP and GDP per Capita are the standard, baseline metrics for comparing economic output. While they don’t capture happiness or inequality perfectly (that’s what the Human Development Index, HDI, is for), they absolutely measure the size of the pie a country has to divide.

Economic output has fuck all to do with the standard of living. In fact, you can have very high economic output as we see in occpupied Korea achieved through brutal exploitation of the working population.

This is outright false. The DPRK guarantees these things on paper, but the quality is nonexistent for the vast majority of the population:

It’s not, but you’ve already made it clear that you’ll just make things up and ignore facts.

What the south doesn’t have is guarantees of access. You do not have a job guarantee and without a job you have nothing. That’s the elephant in the room that you artlessly danced around.

The Total Scoreboard: 34,000+ people have escaped North Korea for the South. Less than 30 have publicly documented returning.

Sure little buddy. You keep on believing that.

This is arguably the most insane sentence in your post. Estimates range from 600,000 to 3 million deaths during that famine. A state that cannot feed its people to the point where 5-10% of the population starves to death has not “successfully weathered” anything; it has failed its most basic function. Framing mass starvation as “resilience” against US imperialism is incredibly disrespectful to the victims of that regime’s mismanagement.

What part of the north having been dependent on the trade that the US cut them off from are you struggling with there? Most of the arable land land is in the south, and DPRK had to figure out how to produce food in the mountains. The fact that you call that mismanagement exposes that you’re a just a troll.

Where is this data coming from?

From the fact that people are actually having children in DPRK unlike in the south

Since the early 1990s, the birth rate has been fairly stable, with an average of 2 children per woman, down from an average of 3 in the early 1980s.

Trying to use GDP to measure the quality of the economy is sheer idiocy and no serious economist would suggest doing that. In fact, GDP was never meant to do that.

Even with “growth” from selling artillery shells to Russia, the average North Korean lives on a fraction of the income of a South Korean.

People in DPRK have guaranteed housing, jobs, food, healthcare, and public transportation. None of these things are available to people in the south by default. Measuring income without accounting for the cost of living further illustrates just how utterly unequipped you are to discuss the subject you’re attempting to debate here.

There is a reason 34,000 people have defected from North to South, and basically zero have gone the other way. People vote with their feet.

Meanwhile in the real world https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/18/asia/north-korea-defectors-return-intl-hnk-dst

You’re an utter ignoramus and you have no business opining on the subject. Take the L and move on.

I’ve literally been contextualizing the article throughout this whole discussion for you. At least we can agree that continuing this is pointless. Bye.

And once again, what the article is actually talking is how LLMs are being sold to investors. At this point, I get the impression that you simply lack basic reading comprehension to understand the article you’re commending on.

I agree with your point on infinite recursion, and that is precisely why intelligent design is not a useful framework. It is a thought terminating cliche that provides the illusion of an answer without the substance of one.

Saying a designer did it, doesn’t explaining anything, and just pushes the explanation back to a theoretically complex designer who in turn needs its own explanation. This halts all scientific inquiry. If we treat junk DNA or physical constants as mysterious designs, we stop looking for their mechanical functions. It is far better to sit with the discomfort of the unknown than to embrace a pseudo answer that shuts down investigation.

The title is not false. If you actually bothered to read the article, you’d see that the argument being made is that the AI tech companies are selling a vision to their investors that’s at odds with the research. The current LLM based approach to AI cannot achieve general intelligence.

it’s easy to miss stuff like that when rearranging the flow of the text, but feel free to engage with what I said though instead of nitpicking

imagine thinking that your drivel needs a sophisticated rebuttal

The situation in occupied Korea is a perfect case study of how late stage capitalism literally consumes its own future. The so-called economic miracle is built on a foundation that’s cracking wide open.

Let’s start with the economy. While everyone sees global brands like Samsung and Hyundai, the reality is a brutal, two-tiered system completely dominated by chaebol conglomerates. They suck up all the talent and capital, leaving everyone else to fight for scraps in a world of insecure, low-wage gig work. This is why you have a generation of the most educated young people in the country’s history drowning in debt and unable to find stable jobs. They call it Hell Joseon for a reason. The system demands you run this insane rat race from birth, only to find there’s no cheese at the end.

This leads directly to the collapsing birth rate which is a rational, collective strike against a system that makes having children an economic death sentence. With insane housing costs, crippling debt, and a viciously patriarchal corporate culture that ends women’s careers if they have kids, people are simply opting out. It’s the most damning vote of no confidence a society can possibly make.

And this is where the death spiral kicks in. A shrinking young population means fewer workers to pay taxes and support a rapidly aging society. The national pension system is a Ponzi scheme mathematically guaranteed to fail. We’re looking at a future where the state can’t pay pensions, fund healthcare, or even staff its own military. The very foundations of the social contract are dissolving.

All of this is supercharged by insane inequality. You have the golden spoon class with their inherited wealth and chaebol connections, and the dirt spoon majority struggling to get by. The result is intense intergenerational and gender conflict, pitting everyone against each other for a shrinking piece of the pie, which is exactly how the capitalist class maintains control.

It’s not hard to see how it all connects. A predatory economic model creates hopelessness, which kills the demographic future, which then makes the economy completely unsustainable, leading to state collapse.

Now, contrast this with the North. Western media won’t talk about this, but the DPRK successfully weathered the Arduous March in the 90s. The real trigger for that crisis was the collapse of the USSR, their main trading partner and economic lifeline. This sudden shock, combined with being cut off from global trade by the US, sent their economy into a tailspin. But they survived that total collapse of their established trade system. Now, with the US empire visibly fraying, the DPRK’s key alliances are strengthening. As Russia and China renew economic ties and tourism picks up, the North is seeing real growth and an optimistic mood about a future less constrained by American sanctions. They are building a resilience that the South, for all its flashy tech, completely lacks.

From a socialist perspective, the internal failure of the Southern capitalist state could create the conditions for peaceful reunification. We’re looking at a scenario where the South’s economy is in shambles, its social fabric is torn, and its people are utterly disillusioned with the empty promises of consumer capitalism. Meanwhile, the North is emerging from the worst of its isolation with a growing economy and a stable population.

The chaos from a social collapse in the South could force a radical reevaluation, breaking the power of the chaebol and US imperial influence permanently. This power vacuum could be fertile ground for a genuine, pan-Korean movement. The two halves could finally meet on new terms. They could build a new, unified Korea from the ground up, one that rejects the brutal neoliberal inequality of the South. It would be a difficult, monumental task, but the only true liberation for the Korean people lies in a single, independent, and socialist Korea, finally free from the colonial division imposed upon them.