And I guess that’s where we’re just going to fundamentally disagree. The state should not have control over who does and doesn’t get freedom of speech. If they do, there is not truly freedom of speech.
Then you’re lacking class consciousness. Every state serves a class over another. In capitalist societies, it’s the bourgeoisie over the proletariat. In a socialist society it’s the opposite.
You can easily observe this in how basically all of western media is owned by a few companies that dictate what information gets to you.
Furthermore, not everyone deserves freedom of speech. Nazis should have 0 right to that.
In theory thats all well and good, but in practice there is no state which I would trust to decide who does and doesn’t get free speech. If the bourgeosie don’t get free speech, then the state can silence anyone they disagree with by labeling them as part of the bourgeoisie. And while I certainly wish we could just take freedom of speech from nazis - because they absolutely do not deserve it, you’re right about that - in that case the state can silence anyone by labeling them a nazi. Which kinda is happening right now because some will try to silence people who are pro-palestinian by labeling them as anti-semetic and then comparing them to nazis. You also see that with people being labeled as terrorists, or gang affiliated, for example. (Same argument applies to due process, and to a greater extent, but thats not super relevant)
And I guess that’s where we’re just going to fundamentally disagree. The state should not have control over who does and doesn’t get freedom of speech. If they do, there is not truly freedom of speech.
Then you’re lacking class consciousness. Every state serves a class over another. In capitalist societies, it’s the bourgeoisie over the proletariat. In a socialist society it’s the opposite.
You can easily observe this in how basically all of western media is owned by a few companies that dictate what information gets to you.
Furthermore, not everyone deserves freedom of speech. Nazis should have 0 right to that.
In theory thats all well and good, but in practice there is no state which I would trust to decide who does and doesn’t get free speech. If the bourgeosie don’t get free speech, then the state can silence anyone they disagree with by labeling them as part of the bourgeoisie. And while I certainly wish we could just take freedom of speech from nazis - because they absolutely do not deserve it, you’re right about that - in that case the state can silence anyone by labeling them a nazi. Which kinda is happening right now because some will try to silence people who are pro-palestinian by labeling them as anti-semetic and then comparing them to nazis. You also see that with people being labeled as terrorists, or gang affiliated, for example. (Same argument applies to due process, and to a greater extent, but thats not super relevant)