A lot of Youtube channels are reporting declining viewership lately.

EX1: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cpVnx4_yqTo
EX2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0tmhEtVJE

Fun times. Looks like a lot of channels are seeing a decline not just Linus. Hes just the latest to talk about it.

Then I saw this article as well and thought I would share.

Anyone here youtube creators? Are you seeing the same thing, a general downturn in viewership?

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    Everyone here is speculating about their content, but the simple answer is YouTube just changed how they count the view number. The change basically happened overnight, so it’s not some slow attrition of views. They said in the WAN Show that while the view count halved, the number of likes hasn’t changed (the view/like ratio doubled), and the revenue they earned hasn’t changed (CPM doubled). All of this points that the same number of humans are watching, but what counts as a view in the “views” number just changed.

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    Folks here are missing the point blaming LTT for the drop. This has been a sudden drop, too sudden to be fatigue or audience tastes changing.

    Also I can see the same on my own channel. About 2 weeks ago views suddenly dropped to a third of the usual views. And even high performing videos have had trouble getting views since. Even videos with a high impression percentage are getting lower than average views.

    The same wsd also reported by Second Wind (old Zero Punctuation) and their experience is the same: way too sudden drop to be anything else except YouTube adjusting their algorithm.

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          I think his org has consistently done its best and I still tune in across the channels. I know that I couldn’t do better with matched resources, without experience and a lot more considerations.

          Listening to everyone hate on a whole media group puzzles me a bit.

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            LTT has done bad things and never apologized. For example he copied a gamersnexus script and never acknowledged it.

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              And stole an item to auction off! I can’t believe people here defend their ass D:

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                Which turned out to be false, and Billet Labs confirmed it was always the agreement that they were not supposed to return it, they just changed their mind later when it was already too late.

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                  The email chain was published by Billet Labs after LTT said there were no expectations of returning the prototype. It proved that Linus lied about it.

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              Never acknowledged it? He immediately put a pinned comment attributing Gamers Nexus when notified of it, and GN thanked him for it, which any reasonable person would take as him being happy with the resolution.

              It was a piece of info from GN’s video, not a copied script though.

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      The same wsd also reported by Second Wind (old Zero Punctuation) and their experience is the same: way too sudden drop to be anything else except YouTube adjusting their algorithm.

      In their video, Yahtzee said it could be related to Restricted Mode on youtube suddenly turns on by itself. Or at least that’s their hypothesis, since they checked that if that mode is on, a lot of their videos vanished from their channel.

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        They’re wrong, my channel has under 4% viewers in the up to 18 year segment, this effect is way bigger than if I lost then completely. Also my channel features no swearing or inappropriate content so, it should not affect it at all if this was the case.

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          It’s not about what your viewers are, it’s about what youtube now automatically hides by default. They show it in the video.

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            Yes, but even if they hid everything I have from teens and suspended teens, the drop would be way less. And that’s why I think they are wrong about the reason for the drop.

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          Tierzoos theory is because formats that were good for the past years (8-10 min videos) are less popular now with the advent of shorts. And people are watching yt on their TVs now.

          Demographics are also changing. Wish there were more actual data. Other than the very end result which is views down over many channels all at once.

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            That also wouldn’t have a drastic immediate effect. On the long term this is likely to eat some views of long form content.

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        I‘ve noticed the algorithm drizzles a good portion of smaller creators on my front page in recent months and that part is growing. I am talking about videos with just a few thousand or few hundred views that make up roughly 10-15 percent of my recommendations or so.

        I think Youtube is diversifying exposure so you don‘t see the same faces you‘ve seen the past 15 years as often and new channels get a chance to grow. I am guessing Youtube doesn‘t want to be too dependent on the same huge channels anymore either.

        Of course that means huge creators are calling to the pitch forks and torches because they lose revenue but why should I care? Most of them are rich anyway and don‘t necessarily produce better videos than someone with their phone in their garage workshop or a bunch of college students in their dorms. If anything it feels more like the old Youtube again.

        There is a lot wrong with Youtube but I couldn‘t care less about huge channels being forced to slim down or try harder.

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          Noticed those as well.
          Usually the side bar recommends the usual bunch or related content but then there is this totally random video of some small channel with 10 maybe <1000 views doing a let’s play or some random content which is completely unrelated to the content I watching at the moment.

          Most of them are rich anyway and don‘t necessarily produce better videos than someone with their phone in their garage workshop or a bunch of college students in their dorms. If anything it feels more like the old Youtube again.

          In the case of LTT: Not everyone can absorb the cash flow for an ULTIMATE PETABYTE MULTI-NODE STORAGE SERVER BUILD.
          I honestly enjoy those as uneducated as some videos are, those infrastructure videos are really enjoyable for the amount of jank.

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          I’m noticing a lot more ai generated videos myself. Or at least they look like it. Its kinda slop.

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          I’ve been getting recommendations for videos with 2 to 10 views. Noticed it about three months ago.

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          mr beast has always been shady asf, thats why hes desperate as in the type of content he puts out, eventhough he has huge a base and his shitty food company. Like he wants to make a big deal out "paying the " wrestler that got knocked out by an aggressive MMA person. hes like a vulture.

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        AI slop most likely. Well, to be serious, I think the drop is due to them trying to fight AI slop and miserably failing.

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          yes, ive seen an increase in AI slop + propaganda too, and yt also is allow ISRAEL to make pro-IDF propaganda to flood the site now. 45million$ contract from NETANYAHU.

          AI slop trailers, AI bizarre animal injures, GOOGLE veo AI videos.

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      If a change in the algorithm hurts, it may be a sign that the algorithm had been helping previously. No one questions the algorithm when viewership grows, but it’s largely to blame for the good and the bad.

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        True, but a platform where your income is dependent on an ever changing algorithm is not something a business can handle. Changes like that will drive away major channels and make them start to look for alternatives.

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      I’ll echo that I have felt an algorithm change. I watch a lot of leather crafting videos and a lot of Adam Savage videos. In the past week I’ve been getting Adam Savage working on leather videos and I’ve been thrilled to discover these. As someone who’s been watching both Adam Savage and leather crafting videos for months or maybe years, I should have already seen these, but somehow missed these until this past week. Now YouTube shows me video after video of Adam Savage working on leather, which I love.

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      youtube is probably gearing the algorithim for other content than influencers that draws in more views or revenue.

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        Not impossible. The best revenue for Google would be if they could ai generate all the content themselves.

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    Google is making users/consumers not want to use/consume google things by making those things more difficult, more invasive, less user friendly to use/consume.

    That’s it. That’s all.

    If I just want to watch a clip that I could before but now I have to sign in because it thinks I’m a not, NO

    If it wants me to watch ads for things I’ll never buy and actually forces me to, NO.

    If it kills the front ends I prefer to use, or kills the ability to watch via proxy, for my privacy and/or security. NO.

    If it feeds me Nazi shit without clicking a single link on a new install on a new browser with no profile on a new IP, fucking NO.

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    Probably doesn’t help that a bunch of the decent channels were bought by private equity and are now churning out boring, safe and uninteresting content.

    https://youtu.be/hJ-rRXWhElI (a yt link, lol).

    A brief summary from https://www.dailydot.com/news/youtube-channel-private-equity/

    Some channels like Donut Media, Veritasium, and Task and Purpose have been acquired publicly. Others, such as Dude Perfect and Coco Melon, have been acquired more privately, with no public disclosure.

    Plenty others. A key giveaway is when a channel diverges their risk. When the front man who is the reason you have watched the channel suddenly has co-hosts and large segments from other channels in their regular content.

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    Had a discussion with another creator buddy and they said it appeared that there was a load less scraping going on which inflated their viewer figures for months. I wonder if youtube is finally stopping their whole content being scraped perpetually?

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    I stopped watching LTT years ago. His channel is crap. He’s a tech personality who seems to barely understand technology, so most of his videos are just over the top bullshit and stunts. Not to mention his awful annoying vocal fry. He’s like the male Fran Drescher.

    Plus, Linus has been a complete asshole to GamersNexus, one of the best channels for investigative journalism in tech. As far as I’m concerned, Linus is your typical business entity, and lacking ethics.

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    What I’ve noticed is YouTube recommending me more obscure videos, from very small creators.

    I very much appreciate whatever they’re doing, regardless of how these bigger channels are being hit by it. Yesterday I got recommended a video by an elderly woman, showing a mug warmer she bought. It was very sweet, had less than 30 views and it was a lovely contrast to the flashy, over edited videos stretching a paragraph to 10+ minutes.

    Not saying the big channels are bad, I just personally like the small time channels and appreciate that YouTube has been (at least with the algorithm it has set for me) giving these small channels a shot at getting an audience.
    I’ve connected with a lot of people from smaller channels, joined communities etc. yet this is much more difficult with the larger ones (in some I’ve been to, over the years, the chatrooms they set up are so huge the moderation sometimes just gives up or doesn’t even exist in any practical way).

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    What would make me really happy is if viewership across YouTube entirely was down because people were getting fed up with YouTube and shifting to alternatives.

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      The problem is that there aren’t any really viable alternatives. YouTube has three major advantages and all three are necessary. First and most critically it has a viable business model (that is it has a way to earn money to pay creators). It’s a shitty business model, but it is viable which already puts it ahead of most services that are coasting on VC funds and hoping they’ll trip over a business model before they go bankrupt. Second it has the infrastructure and capital to actually serve content. Running a video streaming service is the single largest bandwidth consumer you could possibly come up with and that means considerable network infrastructure costs, to say nothing of the storage demands. Third it has network effect going for it. Nobody is going to watch videos on your platform if there’s only a couple dozen of them total. The sheer size and scope of YouTube means no matter what you’re looking for you can find something to watch. It’s a one stop shop for AV content.

      Every single competitor to YouTube has failed on one of those points, usually the first one, rarely the second. The last service I saw come close to hitting all three was Vimeo, but it flamed out not even a decade after it launched. Twitch.tv is struggling to make their accounting work and isn’t even a direct competitor because they’re pushing hard for live streams as opposed to pre-recorded videos. Alternatives like PeerTube have no business model and will never attract creators or a mainstream audience. Paid hosting platforms like Floatplane are replacements for traditional video streaming services like Amazon Video or Netflix not really platforms where just anybody can set up a channel and start posting videos.

      To paraphrase a famous saying, YouTube is the worst public video streaming service except for every other one. Until someone comes along and figures out how to make enough money to reliably pay creators and has enough capital to actually serve that content reliably and in high quality YouTube isn’t going anywhere.

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        I wanna like Peertube as an alternative, but I can’t find any content I like there. And the app is so awkward to use.

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          I use Odysee and Peertube where possible but yeah they’re somewhat awkward, and the biggest thing I typically miss is the comments. As awful as most Youtube comments are, the critical mass is there, if you’re looking for a quick link to something in the video, the summary that the author should’ve included but didn’t, the correction where the author was wrong, or something else of actual value, chances are whatever it is you’re trying to find somewhere on the top heap of Youtube comments. As with most social media, the value is not in the service itself, it’s in the community. Steering that community towards somewhere where it will actually be appreciated is a herculean task when someone has to be the pioneers and live in that desert and put in the work to prepare it for the ones who will come after them.

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            I glanced at odysee and noped out the second the front page I was looking at was full of trump racist propaganda

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              Yes, until we bring the light of civilization, it will be the wild west and the natives are trying to kill us.

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            As much as I do complain about Peertube, I do like how it’s like the old personal blog days. Just kinda quietly do your own thing. I’m actually thinking of starting a channel to teach Japanese. I’ll probably have a few lines of my diary and break down the vocabulary and grammar in English and French. It’s like shit nobody would give a crap about, but it’ll get me to keep up with my diary and maybe someone will find the info useful, which I think the earlier days of personal websites and blogs were like.

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              That sounds like a great idea. I think the independence of the old web is something we should aspire to, it’s a big part of what gave the internet its soul, and that’s what big tech has suffocated with ads and monetization and platform-control.

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          PeerTube would be great if you didn’t have to self-host. And yes, I mean that. Every instance I’ve found that allows user uploads charges the users for bandwidth (or charges a subscription fee). I’ve never found an instance yet that works like Dailymotion or YouTube. When we get a big instance (like mastodon.social or one of the big two Lemmy instances), that allows user uploads freely and seamlessly, we’ll start seeing it grow.

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            There are quite a few that allow uploads without charges or subs. But not if you start now, right now because costs have risen so much you cannot possibly cover them if someone comes in and uploads 20 or so high quality high bandwidth sucking videos because well, there isnt really the audience and the money is basically lost… and as said that is where we are. Doesn’t help they only really use h.264 and don’t get ad revenue. Creators have zero interest in making a video if they don’t get something back, either in plenty of views or some income which currently, to be brutal, they have zero chance of achieving on peertube compared to youtube

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            Oh I didn’t know that was the case. I’ve only really started using it, but I think peertube.wtf hosts some for you. I just started a new account with fedimovie today — because I can’t seem to access wtf for some reason — and I think it said on their sign up page that they have 100gb for me to use.

            So, when you say self-host, would I have to have an instance of Peertube myself, or can I have an account with an instance and host just the videos?

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              My experience is that basically, if you actually want to do anything meaningful with video, you need to host your own instance, because no one wants to be beholden to the bandwidth, especially if it gets any uptake. In which case, obviously, you’re on your own for the costs. The only way I can see PeerTube working is if a few of the medium size YouTubers & Twitch streamers with decent monthly Patreon takes band together and fund it that way.

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        Third it has network effect going for it. Nobody is going to watch videos on your platform if there’s only a couple dozen of them total. The sheer size and scope of YouTube means no matter what you’re looking for you can find something to watch.

        Yeah, though I think that you could avoid some of that with a good cross-video-hosting service search engine, as I don’t think that most people are engaging in the social media aspect of YouTube. YouTube doesn’t have a monopoly on indexing YouTube videos.

        But the scale doesn’t hurt them, that’s for sure.

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        there is, maybe, a market for more specialized, niche platforms…but it’s a huge maybe.

        nebula seems to be doing very well, but again: highly specialized content, and a closed/curated platform.

        other than serving video content, it has little in common with yt…hence the big “maybe”!

        and there’s been a few similar attempts in recent years, which i don’t think really went anywhere either…

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      Honestly, YouTube is the “least bad” of most commercial social media.

      If people go to Twitter or Discord or whatever instead, that would be awful.

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      That would be the dream! Not sure about actual data but yeah. I want it to be true lol.

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      youtube is already replacing it with AI slop, and propaganda. they increased it. thats where the money is, other than getting it from the major television networks.

      i think history buff channels were calling out there were clones of his channel in AI form.

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    I used to watch LTT all the time. I stopped watching some years back after he installed a six figure Wi-Fi system on his “estate.” I had enjoyed watching a relatable everyman review computer hardware, and more often than not break things. I didn’t sign up to watch a millionaire dick around with exotic tech in his McMansion.

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      Doesn’t help he has actually gotten dumber over the years.

      He very clearly has fallen out of touch and basically is just a personality at this point.

      So your not even watching a tech enthusiast millionaire dick around with things.

      Your just watching a rich white dude dick around with tech and his company.

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        I always hated his "oh no i hope i don’t drop this expensive thing that you peasants can hardly afford… Oh i dropped it’ schtick. People cheered him on like aome village idiot. At some point he said he feels like he’s pushing expensive unnecessary stuff to people who can hardly afford it and he wants to stop doing it. But he never did. He’s doing tech reviews and i assume a podcast, because everyone has a podcast, and his studio is ABSURD. I watched some other video where they needed something from the LTT studio and they even commented on how fucking big his operation is. He had rooms there he didn’t even know existed. I stick to the opinion that he’s just a slimy rick man, nothing else.

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          last i heard his company is worth 10+million, yea hes definitely just sitting back and not really advancing his channel/.

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          It’s a business with over 100 employees, if it wasn’t huge where would the employees be? His dropping thing always existed, he just got rich in the meantime.

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        Would it be any better if he’s black?
        Why racially profile if it doesnt matter?

        Edit: I like how I am getting downvoted for asking why the mentioned skin color is of any importance.
        If a dude or dudette is a rich asshole it doesnt matter if they are yellow, white, black or green. Asshole stays asshole.

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        sounds like he got Lazy and just let his, lower- level plebs manage the channels where he just comes in and “promote” product and leaves kind of person. i was subscribed to another channel that did that, they just wanted to “not be present” while channel is declining because its still doing well, now its not doing well(they had several issue arise that caused it.)

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      I just wired my house for Ethernet for a a few thousand dollars of electrician time. It’s multiple times faster than any WiFi can be. Why would anyone drop $100k on wifi??

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        As I recall, he installed a top of the line commercial grade system in his house and surrounding property for the lols.

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        Oh dude. The next drop. DIY it. It’s easier than you think. Even the cheap keystone punch tools will get the job done.

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    Reasons I see:

    a) the generation that grew up watching LTT is now at age where they don’t watch as much YT as they did before b) increasing amount of things happen which put viewers off c) consumer technology peaked and is now “boring” d) new generations don’t have as much interest in technology altogether

    Let’s explain:

    a + c) people watching LTT years ago were living in an exiting tech era where it boomed and you had mayor leaps in tech basically on a yearly basis. Moving from floppy disks to CD’s to USB sticks. CRT to LCD displays. 16-bit to 32-bit color. Solitare and Minesweeper to Call of Duty 4 and Need for Speed. Symbian and Blackberry to Android and iOS. Tons of manufacturers, tons of competition, tons of new and exctiting stuff.

    Let’s observe the state today: iPhone looks the same for the past half decade. Android is basically just Google and Samsung. Storage is now all in cloud. New games are recycled and upscaled old games. Every new generation of hardware is same thing just 10% better/faster. New OS releases are just refinements without new features. Most changes are done just for the sake of change. Existing hardware can basically be enough for 5+ years. What is LTT realistically supposed to talk about that is interesting? There is simply no more interesting tech.

    This ties in into d) - tech peaked, new generations “just use it as it is”, there is no need to tinker with it, prebuilt PC’s are more than fine for years to come. Since AI the IT job landscape seems to be in decline, both in demand and in pay. People do other stuff now that is more lucrative.

    LTT is dependent on stuff happening so that they can make videos about it. But, stuff kinda just isn’t happening. Or the stuff that happens is just not noteworthy news anymore.

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    YouTube is hostile to viewers unless you pay them £20 a month.

    It’s like 15 ads per 2 mins screen time with 2 being unstoppable and 1 being 3 minutes long. Slightly exaggerated but not far from the truth. It’s horrible. And they slow everything down too, the main video fake buffers whereas when you’re in premium it doesn’t.

    I didn’t mind paying a fiver but had to do it via the moon to get it cheap but now they have stopped that.

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        After some time it “learns” you don’t want it.

        But what grinds my gears instead are auto-translated video titles.
        Because I am watching maybe 70-80% english content I decided the lesser evil is to just set the language to english instead.
        Annoying as fuck but managable.

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          Because I am watching maybe 70-80% english content I decided the lesser evil is to just set the language to english instead.

          Google has always made it extremely clear that they don’t believe it’s possible for the human brain to know more than one language, and that anyone who claims to know more than one is a liar and a witch and has no place in their platforms.

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        It horrifies me as a German. They also get titles, descriptions and comments wrong all the time. It legitimately doesn’t work.

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        I hate them for auto translating the video titles and descriptions with no way to turn them off, I even installed an extension to restore the original titles but YT broke it again intentionally or unintentionally with their unending tweaks.

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          That’s because the french media industry is very strong, and virtually everything is dubbed.

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      for Android (TV): smart tube next

      For a browser (Firefox): ublock origin.

      Have not seen an ad in years, and i have not paid a cent to youtube.

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        For anyone following the smart tube next tutorial on github you don’t need to do anything after installing the “kutt.it/…” Download. You do not need to transfer an APK from your phone or computer. Literally just download the downloader, and type the beta or stable package address and install, also make sure you have developer options enabled beforehand.

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          Also, probably a great time to turn updates to your OS off, as Google is taking away the ability to sideload (well, kinda). It’s a whole story. Highly doubt that SmartTube Next is gonna get a licence to allow signing of their app.

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      And God forbid you enable captions on the video or something - it’ll disable itself every time an ad plays.

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        How do I turn that feature on?

        I keep turning off captions off, and every few days they are automatically turned back on.

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          you can force a lot of options still when you upload a video OR provide a link. Plenty do that. For example in the tags add yt:cc=on will force on captions when you play a video

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          I assume you’re using a “smart” TV.

          Those things only exist to take power away from you. You should hook up a PC or laptop to your TV with a wireless keyboard and mouse so you’re not being herded by techbros.

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              I have the same setup as you and just pay the Premium. One thing I would recommend is getting isponsorblocktv on your server. It skips the ad reads within the YouTube content and works on Apple TV. Every year or so I look for a tracker doing YouTube or a sonarr YouTube fork. The instinct to hoard data is strong. But none have worked consistently for me.

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                Ah good shout, I remember looking in to that a while back but never went ahead.

                The hard thing about needing premium is I could likely easily not have it, but the scumbags limit downloads (cache) on YouTube kids to premium members, which comes in handy in a pickle for sure for my daughter.

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              Instead of using those, you could be using a free streaming site. You’ll get more content and it’s easier to set up.

              Just type in the URL, and search for what you want.

              Here’s one of the best sites I’ve found: https://hydrahd.io/ I guarantee they have significantly more offerings than either apple tv or your plex.

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                Free streaming sites are awful. I prefer my way thank you.

                And I don’t mind paying for things, just not getting ripped off.

                I buy things on 4k that are special, then on iTunes for in between and then high seas everything else. I have a decent home server.

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                  Free streaming sites are awful.

                  No they aren’t, lol. But whatever floats your boat.

                  I’ll be over here enjoying more things for a cheaper price and helping others do the same.

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            Yeah fuck using a keyboard and mouse at 5 meters away. You really should roll a custom Linux box with a remote control setup and Plasma Bigscreen. Custom YouTube client too, for better visibility

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              Don’t listen to this person. He’s trying to make things unnecessarily complicated because he doesn’t know any better.

              We don’t see people using keyboards for their TVs, instead we see them slowly type with on screen keyboards. A remote control is not going to alleviate this and will make setup significantly more complicated.

              I’m going to block this user now, so I won’t get to see his reply. I’ve been on the internet long enough to recognize people like him for what they are and move on.

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                Lol you’re the one plugging a super inconvenient solution as if it should be the default, I just took it farther to ridicule yours. It’s great that you can’t stand criticism of your questionable ideas and have to block others. Means your ideas aren’t too be taken seriously.

                Have you considered that the average TV user sits down after a hard day and doesn’t want to troubleshoot a wireless mouse, nor boot a computer separately from turning on the TV? The world out there is rough, your TV is supposed to be the one thing that just works and numbs it down for you so you can pretend things are fine.

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            no smart tv but through a tv box (not android). Don’t mind the ads when we watch on our projector, if I do I watch on wifes gaming pc also hooked up to projector

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      Yep agreed.
      It’s downright disgusting to browse youtube without premium or an adblocker.

      Sadly I need premium simply because I am watching on an Android TV and I am not trusting third party clients with my google account.
      Too much stuff is associated with it (monetary)

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      I only pay them because I watch a stupid amount of YouTube. Hours a day, many more hours when not working.

      If those ads come back while I’m paying though, the flag flies.

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      On broadcast TV, a 30 minute timeslot had only 23 minutes of actual content and 7 minutes of ads.

      That’s what we’re heading back to. 20% of the watch time is ads.

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      And then there is the occasional 30 minute to an hour infomercial that comes on obvious stuff people watch to go to sleep! I wanted someone softly talking about outer spacey things, not you’re shitty product I give so much little of a fuck about that I didn’t even look at what was being advertised. I hate you so much I will not even remember your name to give you free advertising by birding about you online!

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      I have premium through a page that makes family groups and you pay a lot less. From time to time there is an issue with the group and you spend like two days without premium until it is fixed.

      During those periods YT is unwatchable and I skip using it until the issue is fixed

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      I didn’t mind paying a fiver but had to do it via the moon to get it cheap but now they have stopped that.

      Useful idiot mentality. They’re charging you that money to maximize profit, not because it’s necessary to provide the service.

      Your “fivers” are paying for their nicer campuses, executive bonuses, and lavish business trips/vacations. Analysts also use it as an excuse to charge more, since the data shows that people like you are “happy/proud” to get ripped off.

      I wish proles were smarter and a bit more mean so they could better recognize how they’re being taken advantage of and how often they support their oppressors.

      Too many of you go along with getting taken for a ride because you want to fit in and avoid conflict. Businessmen take advantage of that mentality every day.

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        Yes, large scale video hosting is notoriously free to provide.

        YouTube the service absolutely has a cost to it. It’s been born by the owners at first and then people who watch ads. It got profitable when they started showing more ads. Premium is a way to get out of watching ads. You and I use adblockers and it’s fine but if a significant share of people did, the cost for paying users would have to keep increasing.

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    Maybe at some point we can all stop watching and hence supporting YouTube, that’d be nice.

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    I’m sure declining viewers has nothing to do with the various controversies such as auctioning off prototypes, rushed reviews with misleading or false conclusions, mistreating staff etc. Channels like Gamers Nexus really laid into him.

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    He will look for answers literally anywhere, except for within.

    The tech scene is just not as interesting anymore, and the stuff he specifically covers is even less interesting. But the bigger issue is that everything LMG do is just corporate jank. It was fun when it was home garage jank, with 2 employees, but now it’s just miserable and frustrating. And thats not even taking any of the interpersonal issues, or legal drama from recent history

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      I never considered that the tech scene isn’t interesting anymore, but you’re right. Everything is boring incremental upgrades these days. Things are having the fun squeezed out of them for profits (in app purchases, proprietary lockin, cloud shit that dies or has permanent bugs, etc), lots of stuff just feels like it’s plateaued or is junk.

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        Don’t forget that most of us are getting priced out of the hobby in general. It’s not fun when you can’t afford to play around in your own hobby. You move on and find a new hobby.

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          Retro handhelds is mine. At least playing aroundvwith something technology adjacent. Its fun and until the tarrifs came in, very cheap.

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        Very true. The last decade and a half have just been switching between round and square corners with mild spec bumps. VR was supposed to be it I think, but it just isn’t useful enough.

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          VR still is it. If you have €€€€

          Take the bigscreen beyond 2.
          A vr-headset starting at 1300 (incl. taxes/import).
          Uhhh yeah.
          Not happening for what little VR could offer me in my current situation (and I don’t watch porn).

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            Facebook is the best and worst thing to have happened to VR. The Quest is an affordable headset that basically killed all competition and innovation in VR for years. Still holding out hope that the next Valve headset will come out eventually and shake up the scene again.

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        And all the big “innovations” have been in venture capitalist bubbles like AI, NFTs, etc. or soured by the companies and people behind them. I hear SpaceX has been doing some cool stuff, but all I can see is Musk making a flying Cyber Truck for his ego on NASA’s dollar. One of the reactors at 3 Mile Island is coming back online, the first US nuclear power project in who knows how many years…in order to fuel Microsoft’s AI data centers.

        Advancements in tech used to be about pushing the boundaries of what we’re capable of. Now, it’s all about pushing the boundaries of how much money the oligarchs can stuff into a single pocket.

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      He will look for answers literally anywhere, except for within.

      The tech scene is just not as interesting anymore

      He has literally publicly talked about this many times, he is very much aware of this fact and has stated that he’s always looking for things that he can try and make interesting.

      and the stuff he specifically covers is even less interesting. But the bigger issue is that everything LMG do is just corporate jank. It was fun when it was home garage jank, with 2 employees, but now it’s just miserable and frustrating

      On this part, I honestly don’t quite get it. It’s definitely a bit more corporate now, they are a 100 person company, but when it comes to the videos, I don’t really see what else you’d want them to do? Sure they have some sponsored videos every now and then that are just showcases of a specific product, but even then I typically find them relatively interesting. And they still have a lot of videos where they’re trying to build novel stuff and thinkering. Yeah, sure, it’s typically on a higher level than what the average Joe would be capable of doing in their backyard, but I still feel like there’s a place for it. Take one of the more recent videos, the one with the double-decker table. It’s extremely cool to me, they took a regular table and a sit-to-stand desk, put one on top of the other, and made effectively two desks in one, one for gaming and one for a hobby. It’s not something I’d build for myself, but it’s a really fun concept.