I touch grass for one full day and miss this thread? Oh well…
Hey hey don’t start with excuses. Russian/CCP bots don’t need to touch grass!
Oof, you caught me! lol
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This thread is being targeted by a lot of no-content “correct the record” fediverse accounts, upvoting pro-genocide US democratic party and Israeli talking points. Please report them so we can ban them ASAP.
Thank you to all the posters below doing great work debunking them.
“YOURE A BOT!!!”
Some mf whose only posts are US corporate news and comments are 95% spreading the reddit lib bullet points
Your opinion is not shared by all, which should be obvious.
Ah, but the great thing about Communist jokes is that everyone gets them.
Bro is making a life out of ragebaiting democrat leaning lemmitors.
So much focus on the lever that nobody is trying to derail or cut power to the trolly
This.
Or be even more productive and go…
“STAND UP AND GET OFF THE FUCKIN RAIL AND GO LIVE YOUR LIFE!!!”
Innacurate. Obama used drones, saving countless american lifes. You naughty tankie.
Make no mistake, Barack Obama is a war criminal.
During his presidency, Obama approved the use of 563 drone strikes that killed approximately 3,797 people. In fact, Obama authorized 54 drone strikes alone in Pakistan during his first year in office. One of the first CIA drone strikes under President Obama was at a funeral, murdering as many as 41 Pakistani civilians. The following year, Obama led 128 CIA drone strikes in Pakistan that killed at least 89 civilians. Just two years into his presidency, it was clear that the “hope” that President Obama offered during his 2008 campaign could not escape U.S. imperialism.
The drone operations extended to Somalia and Yemen in 2010 and 2011, resulting in more destructive results. Under the belief they were targeting al-Qaida, President Obama’s first strike on Yemen killed 55 people including 21 children, 10 of which were under the age of five. Additionally, 12 women, five of them pregnant, were also among those who were murdered in this strike. These blundered acts of murder by not only President Obama, but the U.S. government, are morally reprehensible.
Even more civilian casualties came out of Afghanistan throughout Barack Obama’s time in office. In 2014, Obama began removing troops currently deployed in the country. However, instead of this action by the president being one in a pursuit of peace and stability in the region, it only acted as an opportunity to drastically increase air warfare. Afghanistan had war rained upon them by U.S. bombardment, with the administration viciously dropping 1,337 weapons on Afghanistan in 2016. In total that year, the Obama administration dropped 26,171 bombs (drone or otherwise) across seven countries: Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan. The U.S., in cooperation with its allies including the Afghan government, killed 582 civilians on average annually from 2007 to 2016.
See “https://archive.ph/wK992#selection-1737.240-1761.53” for the full article.
Americans are propagandized to ignore U.S. imperialism; we assert ourselves as the world’s policeman. Ask yourself: Why can the U.S. murder in the Middle East or sink civilian ships from Venezuela with impunity? The murder of U.S. civilians is unacceptable but when we do the killing it’s always a “necessary evil”.
I was jokie. I know all that. The united states are illegitimate as far as I’m concerned.
Ah, I didn’t see that your comment was written sarcastically. Sorry about that.
You’re grand, as they say in ireland
Thanks for the round up though, it’s always good to know :)
except for that one guy and his son
The supposed democracy advocates within the democratic party continue to refuse to fix the First-past-the-post voting system.
Dont worry, you can count on them to point out all the flaws of the voting system during the midterm while doing nothing to fix it before or afterwards.
Trump was inevitable under such conditions. If you capture one (or more) political parties in a two party system, clearly you can undo every single check and balance. Wake up blue MAGA, your continued use of the FPTP crutch is a national security threat and will cause the nation to crumble.
Was it worth it keeping those safe blue states? Was it worth the easy elections against the worst of us all?
America last, party over country at all costs.
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
the FPTP crutch is a national security threat and will cause the nation to crumble.
Don’t threaten me with a good time
Hey OP, you wanna go ahead and go to any neighborhood that’s been raided by ICE and tell them how the Dems are exactly just as bad as the GOP?
Hell, go tell a bunch of drag queens and trans people.
While you’re at it, go find some under aged girls who’ve been impregnated by adult men and tell them the Dems are just as bad as the GOP.
I’m sure it’ll resonate with all of them /s
Hey OP, you wanna go ahead and go to any neighborhood that’s been raided by ICE and tell them how the Dems are exactly just as bad as the GOP?
I’ll tell you.
This shit was already happening. Yes, it’s taken another step under Trump, but the incrementalism occurred with Democratic fascists as well. What Trump is able to do now would be impossible if Democrats hadn’t seized on the illegal powers dreamed up by Clinton and Dubya and ran with them.
Clinton, while fucking his interns, invented ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell’ and did nothing about persecution of gay people, and in fact, he was the one who signed DOMA. He invented “peacekeeping actions” so he could make war without calling it that, and he did just that. He cut the social safety net wholesale, making Americans poorer, and doubled down on poverty with his ‘free trade’ policies that helped usher in the era of companies moving offshore and killing US jobs. Oh, and he was a regular on Epstein’s island and the Lolita Express.
Obama let police run roughshod in Ferguson and New York City, brutalizing victims of police violence and people who lost their homes and decided to participate in Occupy. He appointed Tom Homan and put kids in cages. He made torture explicitly extra-legal. He walked into Flint and performatively drank a glass of water. He dropped 26,000 bombs in the last year of his presidency and left office with American wars brewing in seven countries. We also learned under Obama that police departments in the US have black sites and his presidency was
kidnappingrenditioning people to black sites in foreign countries. He also ordered drone bombings that killed American citizens.We knew Biden was going to be shit when, in a time people wanted federal police reform, he mocked the change people wanted in his State of the Union address by calling for greater police militarization, and his presidency gave rise to ‘cop cities’. Even worse, it’s now possible for cops to hang out in a school that’s getting shot up, on camera, with zero consequences. After January 6 he did nothing meaningful to slow the evident rise of domestic fascism, showing a greater interest in keeping his scumbag son out of prison. He deported undocumented immigrants by the millions and continued the policy of caging kids. Biden earned the moniker ‘Genocide Joe’ for aiding and abetting the genocide in Israel, even when Israel escalated it into a manufactured famine, which is a war crime. Then he ran for president knowing he had dementia, paving the way for Trump’s second term, prioritizing his own ego over the country’s well-being.
This isn’t a ‘Democrats are better’ scenario. Most people just haven’t really paid attention to what Democrats do or have the short-term memory of a goldfish.
And before you try to argue they were powerless, consider that all three of these men had the presidency and control of Congress, just like Trump. They had all the power they needed to make real change. They just didn’t care.
Are you one of those? Or do you just talk over them, depriving them of their voice?
Hey hypocrite.
Want to tell all the deported and kids in cages under Genocide Joe how that was much better?
Or that bombing brown people everywhere in the world, droning weddings or aiding genocide of Palestinians is better bcs it’s under those Dems who have those famous ‘democratic values’ they’re always crying about?
Just say it like it is, libs only care about themselves.
You all didn’t give a fuck about what you did to the world since forever.
And you probably also don’t give a fuck about trans people either.
The problem is now the fascism you supported has come home, and the libs don’t like the taste of their own medicine.
That’s ALL that bothering you.Enjoy your karma, hope you get a lot of it.
wanna go ahead and go to any neighborhood that’s been raided by ICE and tell them how the Dems are exactly just as bad as the GOP?
Those neighborhoors will tell you that ICE had been around since 2002 and while happy you’re finally getting with the program, despite the current administration’s best attempts, 2012 was the worst year so far right after the democrats had their governmental trifecta and with the dreamers bait and switch.
So yes, while different flavors, they have been equally bad.
go tell a bunch of drag queens and trans people.
Republicans despise them, Democrats love to use them. That isn’t necessarily better.
go find some under aged girls who’ve been impregnated by adult men and tell them the Dems are just as bad as the GOP.
Fucking yes, the big Epstein reveal is that it’s all of them. The Trumps and the Clinton’s.
It’s relieving to see common sense on the internet, have upvote. It’s very interesting how the uniparty seems to get majority vote every single election.
Those neighborhoors will tell you that ICE had been around since 2002 and while happy you’re finally getting with the program, despite the current administration’s best attempts, 2012 was the worst year so far right after the democrats had their governmental trifecta and with the dreamers bait and switch.
So yes, while different flavors, they have been equally bad.
You are fucking delusional to the extreme.
While ICE has been attacking immigrants for decades, you got to be a god damn idiot to equate ICE operating under Dems compared to Trump where ICE NOW HAS A BUDGET LARGER THAN THE MARINES, IS COMPLETELY EXEMPT FROM ANY LEGAL ACTION BECAUSE TRUMP HAS THROWN OUT THE CONSTITUTION, RAMPIDLY BUILT CONCENTRATION CAMPS AT A RECORD PASTETHAT ARE MORE RESTRICTED TO THE PUBLIC THAN EVER, AND NOW ARE MASS ARRESTING LEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND CITIZENS ALIKE.
All while the rule of law has been entirely abandoned.
It was bad for immigrants before, it’s actual Hell for everyone now.
Not to mention it’s gotten so much worse that you can actually observe it on national economic data.
Republicans despise them, Democrats love to use them. That isn’t necessarily better.
I think any marginalized community would prefer having the wiggle room of being able to exist and organize under hollow virtue signals than ACTIVE AND RAPIDLY EXPANDING GENOCIDE.
Call me crazy, but one seems a bit better than the other.
Fucking yes, the big Epstein reveal is that it’s all of them. The Trumps and the Clinton’s.
Completely avoiding the point. Are you playing stupid or is this just how you are?
REPUBLICANS BANNED ABORTION
REPUBLICANS WANT TO BAN CONTRACEPTIVES
Dems, believe it or not, fucking didn’t.
The only people you are helping by spreading this “both sides” BULLSHIT is the fascists. Take Trump’s tiny cock out of your mouth and smell the shit around you.
ICE NOW HAS A BUDGET LARGER THAN THE MARINES, IS COMPLETELY EXEMPT FROM ANY LEGAL ACTION BECAUSE TRUMP HAS THROWN OUT THE CONSTITUTION, RAMPIDLY BUILT CONCENTRATION CAMPS AT A RECORD PASTETHAT ARE MORE RESTRICTED TO THE PUBLIC THAN EVER, AND NOW ARE MASS ARRESTING LEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND CITIZENS ALIKE.
The same can be said between Trump’s first term and Biden’ presidency. The level of funding and militancy isn’t a function of R vs D, but a function of time as they because increasingly less cost effective and require increasing force to attempt to maintain/increase the level of eliminations.
All while the rule of law has been entirely abandoned.
You’re delusional if you believe in the “rule of law”, that’s never been how the justice system has worked in the US.
It was bad for immigrants before, it’s actual Hell for everyone now.
Sorry you can no longer sleep through brunch and now have to face the realities that immigrants and others have been facing for decades.
Not to mention it’s gotten so much worse that you can actually observe it on national economic data.
… What? Can you clarify what you mean by this and what data? This feels like Facebook level finger pointing and not based on any actual data or proper analysis, but I’m happy to be proven wrong there.
I think any marginalized community would prefer having the wiggle room of being able to exist and organize under hollow virtue signals than ACTIVE AND RAPIDLY EXPANDING GENOCIDE.
Your “group” being spared genocide as a tool to influct genocide on others is not the “easy moral dilemma” you make it out to be.
REPUBLICANS BANNED ABORTION
The bipartisan nominated supreme court banned abortion during a democratic party trifecta.
Blaming the Republicans primarily for that is as asinine as blaming the Democrats primarily for the current government shutdown.
Dems, believe it or not, fucking didn’t.
No? So they’re just completely powerless and their votes were forced even though they really, really didn’t want to?
The only people you are helping by spreading this “both sides” BULLSHIT is the fascists.
The difference is who we say are fascists. Yes, the Republicans are fascist, but so are the Democrats.
Take Trump’s tiny cock out of your mouth and smell the shit around you.
If there’s one thing we can agree on it’s that the elephant in the room is absolutely covered in shit. However, I’m busy trying to take the fucking animals outside and am currently begging for you to please, please stop sucking donkey cock, realize the problems, and help.
Hey OP, you wanna go ahead and go to any neighborhood that’s been raided by ICE and tell them how the Dems are exactly just as bad as the GOP?
Obama Leaves Office As ‘Deporter-In-Chief’
Democrats tried so fucking hard to outflank the Republicans from the Right for eight long years. But as soon as they lost, its those damned leftists at fault for not voting harder.
Hell, go tell a bunch of drag queens and trans people.
I’ve got a trans friend who has more rotten things to say about Joe Biden than your eardrums can handle.
While you’re at it, go find some under aged girls who’ve been impregnated by adult men and tell them the Dems are just as bad as the GOP.
Sure, which victim of Clinton’s should we start with?
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There is, you can go back to reddit you crybaby
no thanks. i was banned there for saying the word nakba when talking about history.
“This is the problem with you Amerikkkan imperialists, you only care about your own people and don’t give a shit about anyone outside your country”
~(a paraphrase of) an actual reply I got one time when I shared this sentiment
that reply is entirely correct
That would be me, and it is truth
We have three mainstream parties. Works with that too.
Well I voted for it to be green
With democrats at the (wheel?). Its the same trolley, the same track and the same people on it.
But they mostly abide by a legal speed limit and in general go much slower.
Sometimes they get to a full stopt and get out to clear some people manually to get back going.
The gop sees this and cries out that these slow speed limits are the problem. Go fast, get there quicker.
Neither party wants to talk seriously about where we’re going.
Neither wants to stop.
Shit none of them talk about where theyre at. The bleeding edge of late stage capitalism.
And they’re only going slower so they can keep going longer
in general go much slower
Tell that to Palestinians, the truce has been implemented famously not during democrat rule.
The only reason there is a “truce” is cause the Trump regime causes so much chaos they think they can get away with a hypernormalized fake truce.
Also Trump does not care one bit about what happens in reality as long as he believes that people believe him to be successful. Towards BN he is nothing but a useful fool.
Most media channels are happy to stop reporting about this cause it was getting old but the war and famine are going on unchanged.
The only reason there is a “truce” is cause the Trump regime causes so much chaos they think they can get away with a hypernormalized fake truce
So an amelioration of genocide is insufficient to you? Good, it’s insufficient to me too, that’s why I suggest voting against democrats too
Can you explain you reasoning because It just sounds like you fell for hypernormalization big time.
Just to make things clear. The Genocide is still ongoing. Trump won last time and the biggest difference it made is a classic trick got deployed to manage public perception of what the media thinks is going on.
I repeat voting against democracts does not remove any of the issues, we are just more Frequently gaslighted against forming resistanc under Trump
The best strategy to move away from capitalism with the least bloodshed is to have people need to vote democrat during elections and then instantaneously organize mass protest against them after they win.
How are we more gaslighted against resistance with Trump? People are mobilizing in much higher numbers now, and they were quite literally shutting their ears during the Kamala campaign not to hear the names of genocide victims.
FIY
Part of why Trump won is because the majority of people loath the democrats for their blatant support of Israel. Even Bernie took a big popularity hit because of it. I am not sure where you get the perception that the people mobilising now were somehow ignorant of genocide before.
We are gaslighted against resistance because media is getting flooded with scandals and misinformation to be upset about, making it harder to unite because everyone has a different priority issue.
The no kings protest is getting people outside because many people are realising there is a major issue which deserves priority, getting the dictator out the peoples house.
You seem to confuse these people as belonging to the same groups as the weirdo democrat fans that show up to their events but its a feature by design of a two party system that the majority of voters dislike and loath the party they vote for.
Verifiably Reality is AIPAC funds both parties and both support muslim genocide, towards the Palestinian people there is no effective difference.
Also verifiable, the gop created a blueprint for turning the US in a literal fascist dictatorship, which they have been executing.
Lol, didn’t the news report that israël didn’t even try to stop killing gazan ?
By all metrics, the genocide has slowed down in scope. It’s obviously insufficient and the genocide truly won’t be over until the settler colonial entity is driven out of the region, but what we are seeing isn’t a worsening of the genocide due to Trump as libs predicted.
Yeah since they nearly finished to kill everyone they are slowing, thanks Trump. After I join you on the fact that the same would have happen if it was dem.
Hmm, red makes it go faster so you kill more people faster but they don’t suffer as long but blue gives you better team mates in matches… wait is this competitive trolley slaughter? I wasn’t expecting to need a team I guess I’ll choose blue because they will be carrying.
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The favorite excuse of colonialists: “But nonwesterners aren’t human”
Go extinct
And yet, still true.
I’m here for the comments 🍿
Ok then, what should people do? Easy to criticize, but hard to find answers.
Edit: I’ll stick to what actually works: punch a nazi.
Organize your locality, get involved with local politics start a communal garden, do literally anything more than just vote
Join PSL and DSA and do not vote until they follow through with demands, both sides continue genocide and war on a grand scale
This does nothing but help the GOP, who are openly bragging about installing a dictator.
This assumes the USA is a democracy at the federal level. Where votes by people matter.
Many states use election machines, owned by oligarchs, whose operations are a closed book and are not regulated. Coincidentally those states, both red and blue, fail tests approved by the United Nations to detect tampering of votes.
Those states make the other states, that actually pass the tests, irrelevant.
What makes democracy, in the USA, unable to curb the even the very gross problems today is not the people doing the cheating.
But it is the people who refuse to call the cheating out (by addressing the real issues), and more important the majority of citizens who absolutely do not see this as a problem. It’s only when this is addressed can the actual issues of a real democracy be looked at.
Even then, real reform is hard to do in a democracy. Especially one so large and out of control as the nation we see now. So any reform has to be not using the ballot box.
A boycott actually could help.
They do not care if you do not vote. Actually getting you not to vote is their stated goal and they have spent decades and millions of dollars specifically trying to make it harder for you to vote.
Republican efforts to suppress voting and the democrat “get out the vote” initiatives have much in common.
In some states voting matters, in most it does not. And federally it does not.
Seen in this context both efforts are a type of grifting and scam. No different than other political rabble rousing.
Pretensions USA is a democracy makes reform that much harder. And both parties do this well
Help the axis of resistance fight the west.
