The benefit of Steam Machine:
- HDMI-CEC
- Wake on Bluetooth
- Sleep/Resume
- Background updates
- Efficiency/Noise/Heat
Haha, benefits of a computer is that it is a computer.
Wait, is CEC rare thing? Does Linux lack specific support for modern GPUs?
It’s been a long time since I’ve tried CEC on non-Pi computer.Wake on IR or USB is def a thing, but it isn’t via BT?
It’s nothing to do with Linux, it’s to do with GPU hardware.
Steam Deck has wake on BT so presumably the Machine will as well.
Yeah, that’s confirmed.
Actually supporting HDMI-CEC is such a big thing because it makes it the perfect HTPC machine for Libreelec. No more need for separate remote to control your 4k HDR media player!
Console but PC
Exactly. Best of both.
HDMI-CEC gonna be so fucking cool!
Most of that will be available with SteamOS in general I assume, and also probably, with packages, on any Linux distro. It’s really only HDMI-CEC and wake on Bluetooth that are somewhat exclusive. I don’t know how hard it is to build/add HDMI-CEC into a computer, but maybe that isn’t even exclusive. Wake on Bluetooth, I assume, requires some special hardware to support it, which I don’t think will be available or easily added to other computers.
Most of that will be available with SteamOS in general I assume
No need to assume. I run SteamOS on my personal machine and don’t have any of these features. These are all hardware features.
Sleep/resume, background updates, and efficiency/noise/heat are not hardware features.
Every computer has sleep/resume.
Background updates is a software-based idle mode. It reduces what’s running to the bare minimum and only runs a check for updates/the updater occasionally.
Efficiency/noise/heat are all the same thing and has little to do with the hardware. The hardware they’re using isn’t any more efficient than what you can buy yourself. The software is possibly more efficient (for the Deck it is at least) to reduce power draw/heat/thermal throttling/noise. However, you can get the same yourself with Arch, only installing what you need. It’s not exclusive to Valve.
Every computer has sleep/resume.
Try it on your desktop in the middle of a game and let me know how that goes.
Background updates is a software-based idle mode.
It’s not, it requires a special processor.
Efficiency/noise/heat are all the same thing and has little to do with the hardware.
Uhhh it has EVERYTHING to do with the hardware?
The hardware they’re using isn’t any more efficient than what you can buy yourself.
Not in this compact size.
Try it on your desktop in the middle of a game and let me know how that goes.
Oh, you mean application sleep/resume. Yeah, that’s not standard. It’s not hardware-based though. It just needs to offload the data in cache and RAM into storage, then put it back when it’s needed. That’s handled by software, and I would wager on it being available on SteamOS at large, and probably all of Linux, once it’s published.
It’s not, it requires a special processor.
I have not heard about it having a “special processor”. It’s a AMD Zen 4 CPU. It doesn’t seem to have anything special there. Do you mean an additional processor? I haven’t heard any discussion of that. They’ve said they want to add it to the Deck too, so I’m pretty sure you’re incorrect.
Uhhh it has EVERYTHING to do with the hardware?
Their hardware isn’t special. It’s stuff you can buy off the shelf. Sure, choosing efficient hardware is important, but it isn’t exclusive to the Steam Machine/Valve. That’s what I was discussing. Anything extra they’re getting out of it is software and/or firmware.
Not in this compact size.
First, yes, you can, if you make it yourself. Sure, it’s hard, but not impossible.
Second, the size has nothing to do with the efficiency! Sure, it’s nice, but it doesn’t reduce power draw. It’s got the same amount of heat generation as any other computer with the same hardware. Yes, it has a fairly large radiator/heat-sink, but you can get the same size (or larger) yourself if you want.
I have not heard about it having a “special processor”. It’s a AMD Zen 4 CPU.
Look closelier. It’s “semi-custom”.
It’s stuff you can buy off the shelf.
Which shelf is that?
First, yes, you can, if you make it yourself.
No.
the size has nothing to do with the efficiency!
It has everything to do with heat and noise.
Look closelier. It’s “semi-custom”.
They clarified, the silicon is off-the-shelf and the firmware is modified. It doesn’t have some “special processor” or anything.
It has everything to do with heat and noise.
What? It being small only means the heat has less room to be removed, so it needs a higher power fan (or thermal throttling). It does have something to do with heat and noise, in that smaller is worse for them. If it’s quite or cool, that’s despite the size, not because of it.
I don’t care to argue about this, but you’re making unfounded claims that this device is somehow special, because it’s made by Valve I guess, and they need to be worshiped? It seems like a nice kit, but it isn’t particularly groundbreaking. It’s just a well designed and put together computer. Most of what it does is the same as any other computer, running Linux/Arch is capable of.
This article is quite correct. I ended up liking the idea so well that I just got an off brand mini PC with a Ryzen 7 8745HS for $380. The Steam Machine is likely to be like $800 and have a GPU that is 2-3x faster, but possibly a weaker CPU with 6 instead of 8 Zen 4 cores.
Either way, I couldn’t see paying double for couch gaming with half-assed 4k when 1080p upscaled looks fine to my eyes from the couch and a little more money than the Steam Machine would buy a 5080 to replace my aging 3070 and do real 4k / VR on ultra with raytracing that looks great up-close. Unless Valve comes in at like $500 for the Steam Machine, it’ll be sitting in this awkward middle ground where it’s fairly pricey, yet underpowered.
I’ve been running Bazzite on a Framework Desktop 64gb and it’s a beast of a little machine.
Honestly way more expensive than I would ever recommend for anyone who’s using it solely for gaming. You could make something just as good, but bigger, for less. Or you could build something good enough and small for way less, depending on the performance you’re trying to hit. But if you’re in that sweet spot where you want a lot of power in a tiny package, it won’t disappoint. You’d be hard pressed to find anything as close in performance and size for a lesser price.
Plus side, you got a lot of vram if you wanna play with local LLMs.
It’s looking like the steam machine is gonna hit that sweet spot of being ‘good enough’ while being small and probably fairly priced.
I think it’s good the machine is not super powered. If people stop buying the latest gpus so often, then devs will need to optimize their games or target weaker hardware.
Some games have a steamdeck setting which I love.
I think it’s good the machine is not super powered. If people stop buying the latest gpus so often, then devs will need to optimize their games or target weaker hardware.
I really want this to be the case.
I think there’s people who have gaming as a hobby, and people who have speccing and building a gaming PC as a hobby.
And Valve was never going to sell anything to the PC Hobby crowd, because they get their fun from squeezing every dime and finding the absolute best bang for the buck or whatever.
So I think it’s sensible for Valve to be like “yeah, we’re just going to make a pretty good machine for people who don’t care about how much VRAM it has”.
And the comments of every review and YouTube video will be full of people complaining about how you can get so much more for so much less, and that it’s dogshit, but that’s because the people on those sites are the hobby people.
But that won’t necessarily translate into selling like hotcakes. I hope it does, for several reasons, but only time will tell if there’s enough people in the market for that kind of machine that aren’t the hobby people.
A guy at work bought a 5080 and he plays FPSs. lol
I don’t get it.
he bought an expensive as shit graphics card for games that most of the computing is done server side instead of client side.
ok
Framework Desktop 64gb
I wonder how that compares to my mini-ITX Ryzen 5700x3D/9070XT/64GB system. I guess yours is even smaller and better at running LLMs due to the unified memory, but mine is probably cheaper and better at gaming.
The big benefit of Strix Halo is low power draw, low heat, compact size, and low noise.
It sounds like he just needs one of these
What about
For anyone looking at these. Be a bit careful with getting one that is poor quality. I had one and there was sometimes lag and you would end up double pressing keys and stuff.
It was a completely different model than the one in the picture. But I wanted to leave this warning so you read reviews first.
I have one almost identical to this for my bazzite machine and it works great
Bought one when I got my raspberry pi, granted not nearly as fancy as the one in the original comment, thought I would use it all the time, then I learned about SSH.
Poor thing just collects dust as the battery slowly dies peacefully.
There is a Framework-specific Bazzite image so I’m not sure why they were using the same one that goes on Steam Deck…
Hey me too, but mine has an intel arc gpu on bazzite
That’s not a real laptop.
I said it’s not real!
Neither are birds, or the voices in my head
Your head voices arent birds (telling you to either commit crimes or just transmit a random mundane office conversion some CIA agents are having somewhere)?
