In my opinion, if someone feels it’s impolite to stare, then to someone else it’s impolite to expose. It’s one of the most passive-agressive things to do, being angry at someone who stares when the exposure is intentional.
There’s a specific difference between staring and taking an admiring glance. The former is generally associated with objectification, the latter a shared appreciation. Knowing where that line is makes the difference.
A good chunk of the population is very challenged by such delicate social distinctions. Like upwards of a third. And even among the rest, everyone’s going to draw the line differently. These bright line rules you believe in don’t exist for most people.
Someone can have an attractive face, it’s still impolite to stare. You’re literally advocating that women wear burqas. Logically, if women don’t want to have their faces stared at by creepy men, they should have to cover their faces up.
Just because someone exposes a part of their body doesn’t give you permission to stare at it. It’s impolite to stare at someone’s face, at exposed tattoos, or exposed cleavage. Really it’s simply impolite to stare at anyone’s body.
Otherwise, I hope a really aggressive bear of a gay man joins your workplace and starts obsessively staring at you. If you don’t want him staring at your face obsessively all day, you can simply wear a mask.
This is so incredibly western. It’s absolutely not a universal truth, there are plenty of cultures that accept staring as a natural human expression of interest. And as people move about in this increasingly connected world, these weird taboos are bound be challenged more often.
And I’ll be here on the sidelines, staring and eating the proverbial popcorn while watching this slow motion train wreck. One of the few pleasures the brave new world affords me.
And plenty of people would be offended that you chose this imagery as offensive.
As a straight guy with gay friends, I considered myself finally accepting (or maybe desperate) when I could take the attention of a gay guy as a compliment and be kind about redirecting them
It’s a free society: anyone can look at any direction consciously or unconsciously.
No one has a duty to make others comfortable about it.
You can both embrace the mutual discomfort of each other’s existence.
Or you can call it impolite as they heedlessly carry on untroubled by the nonsense of it all.
What a bunch of “umm aktually” pseudo-intellectual bullshit.
Since you seem allergic to understanding proper context, realize that we’re obviously talking about proper social etiquette and expected behavior. We’re not talking about legal sanction. That much is obvious from context.
And the idea that we don’t have certain duties in social settings is just absolute horseshit. Yes, we don’t have legal duties here. No one will arrest you for staring. But every person has duties of acceptable social behavior in polite settings. The force of law is not the only, or even the primary, way we have of enforcing social behavior.
You can whine all you want about some theoretical pseudo-intellectual take about how you’re not bound by any law to change your behavior. That still won’t keep you from getting fired for being a creep after you rudely stare at your coworkers’ bodies.
It’s a free society, but that matters for nothing in everyday life. You are largely free to take most actions, but you’re certainly not free from the personal and social consequences of being a perverted creep.
In my opinion, if someone feels it’s impolite to stare, then to someone else it’s impolite to expose. It’s one of the most passive-agressive things to do, being angry at someone who stares when the exposure is intentional.
There’s a specific difference between staring and taking an admiring glance. The former is generally associated with objectification, the latter a shared appreciation. Knowing where that line is makes the difference.
This whole thread is terrifyingly neurotypical. Simply look them dead in the eyes for an entire conversation.
A good chunk of the population is very challenged by such delicate social distinctions. Like upwards of a third. And even among the rest, everyone’s going to draw the line differently. These bright line rules you believe in don’t exist for most people.
This is… this is satire, r-right?
Someone can have an attractive face, it’s still impolite to stare. You’re literally advocating that women wear burqas. Logically, if women don’t want to have their faces stared at by creepy men, they should have to cover their faces up.
Just because someone exposes a part of their body doesn’t give you permission to stare at it. It’s impolite to stare at someone’s face, at exposed tattoos, or exposed cleavage. Really it’s simply impolite to stare at anyone’s body.
Otherwise, I hope a really aggressive bear of a gay man joins your workplace and starts obsessively staring at you. If you don’t want him staring at your face obsessively all day, you can simply wear a mask.
This is so incredibly western. It’s absolutely not a universal truth, there are plenty of cultures that accept staring as a natural human expression of interest. And as people move about in this increasingly connected world, these weird taboos are bound be challenged more often.
And I’ll be here on the sidelines, staring and eating the proverbial popcorn while watching this slow motion train wreck. One of the few pleasures the brave new world affords me.
And plenty of people would be offended that you chose this imagery as offensive.
As a straight guy with gay friends, I considered myself finally accepting (or maybe desperate) when I could take the attention of a gay guy as a compliment and be kind about redirecting them
It’s a free society: anyone can look at any direction consciously or unconsciously. No one has a duty to make others comfortable about it. You can both embrace the mutual discomfort of each other’s existence. Or you can call it impolite as they heedlessly carry on untroubled by the nonsense of it all.
What a bunch of “umm aktually” pseudo-intellectual bullshit.
Since you seem allergic to understanding proper context, realize that we’re obviously talking about proper social etiquette and expected behavior. We’re not talking about legal sanction. That much is obvious from context.
And the idea that we don’t have certain duties in social settings is just absolute horseshit. Yes, we don’t have legal duties here. No one will arrest you for staring. But every person has duties of acceptable social behavior in polite settings. The force of law is not the only, or even the primary, way we have of enforcing social behavior.
You can whine all you want about some theoretical pseudo-intellectual take about how you’re not bound by any law to change your behavior. That still won’t keep you from getting fired for being a creep after you rudely stare at your coworkers’ bodies.
It’s a free society, but that matters for nothing in everyday life. You are largely free to take most actions, but you’re certainly not free from the personal and social consequences of being a perverted creep.