People do understand what the midterms are, right?
…Right?
Neither Trump nor Vance are up for election in 2026. But quite a few of their GOP cronies are, in the house and senate. All of the house is up for election and roughly one third of the senate. This will most likely be our last chance to oust at least some of Trump’s enablers in congress.
I would also add that the presidents party almost always loses votes in the midterms. This is particularly true for republicans since 2016 because a lot of trump’s supporters only care about him and won’t bother to fill out a ballot without him on it.
I’ll sniff this copium until the midterms
Sorry to remind you that Republicans historically do better in the midterms because more of their voters show up regardless. That’s one of the things the racist old fucks love to do with their copious amount of free time. Watch Fox News and head on down to the voting booths.
For many, it’s likely the only thing they have to look forward to now that many of their families have abandoned them over this shit.
they also have gerrymandering benefiting them, plus thier districts dont face anymore form of voter suppression at all.
Historically, yes. But that general idea has really been flipped over the last decade. 2018 midterm flipped the house D. 2022 gave Republicans control of the house, but not nearly as badly as expected and even gave an extra D seat in the Senate. There have been countless special elections (same idea, usually even harder than a midterm for Democrats) where they pulled through, giving Georgia and even (briefly) Alabama Democratic senators.
You need an argument more compelling than “he fucks children”. Good luck.
You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into.
So, I’ll argue with people on Nextdoor about things like ICE and trans issues when they come up. Over the last few weeks I’ve been talking directly with a woman from there, after a discussion about ICE. She identifies as conservative/libertarian, but to be fair she also voted for the incumbent Democrat in our congressional district so there legitimately was some wiggle room there, not just a MAGA claiming to be moderate.
Over the long course of our conversation, she seems to see the anti-Trump point of view a lot better and even changed her mind a little bit on some topics. I also accidentally triggered what I can best describe as an introspective crisis when I explained that I’m not entirely comfortable considering her a friend when she turns a blind eye to the harm Trump is causing others, including the diverse group of friends I have (it was a more detailed, gentle explanation but that was the gist of it)
Since this is ongoing and I’ve been kind of surprised at how it’s gone, here’s what I think has worked well…
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Keep things friendly. I know that’s hard to do, but if you come on too strong and angry, you’ll just drive people away from you and firmer in their position
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Stay on-topic to the things that matter most. Things like people being sent to CECOT without so much as a trial (disregarding multiple amendments in the bill of rights)
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Stay factual. Be prepared to back up with sources, and offer to ahead of time. Be absolutely sure that everything you say is bulletproofly true. Avoid getting alarmist.
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Pace yourself. I’d go hours just thinking about what was said and how best to respond. We agreed this was best so we didn’t get distracted from our lives too much
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Listen. I can’t think of anything where I’ve really changed my mind, but it does give a way to frame your concerns (“I hear what you’re saying about the influx of migrants. I’m not sure what the data shows there, but if you let the government bypass protocol they’re basically incentivized to let the mess get so big they can take away rights and that doesn’t sit well with me” or “I get that you want people to go through the legal process, but ICE is picking up people in court on their way to their check-ins. They’re TRYING to keep things legal and are getting punished for it”). Sometimes I’ve circled back to things said earlier to make a connection (don’t like CECOT happening? This is the kind of thing that got us there)
Are you saying deplatforming doesn’t work & open discourse matters? Someone’s got to break it to the purists here.
Both. Any time radicals get their own safe space, they use it to create an echo chamber. You need open dialogue and town square areas on the internet that have a good mix of people and quality, politically impartial moderation.
politically impartial moderation.
Unfortunately nonexistent on this community. (3×🔗)
I only said it is necessary - not whether it was present.
This is really helpful and well-explained!
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This is wrong take. You need to get the idiots that didint vote against him to vote. The ppl that thinks dems are lesser evil and third party is worthless. The 20 mil that voted for biden in 2020 but wouldnt for harris in 2024.
Lord knows I tried but these ppl rather wait for the progressive messiah than vote for anything less.
You can’t. So spend your time doing more worthwhile things like landing the undecided vote.
I think the undecided might be dumber than the Trump supporters at this point.
They’re a close 2nd.
Yes, the only thing worse than not being sure if you want to vote for the fascist is being sure you want to vote for the fascist.
Agreed
The husband of a friend of mine voted Trump both times. He’s recently joined the protests. But he will still vote R.
Another friend votes Trump “because the family has always voted R.” And she’s a frigging STEM professor.
Sooooo… you somehow need better Republicans.
Cute. You think they are going to hold midterms.
You don’t. They’re beyond help.
by having a meaningfull alternative
They’re not going to vote for an alternative unless they’re convinced Trump is bad for them.
I have to wonder how many quiet trump voters there are and why they voted the way they did. Trump got 49.8% of the pop vote but it does not seem like 49.8% of Americans are MAGA flag-wavers. The die-hards are zealots, so basically unreachable. But there have to have been a large number who really thought of the Trump/Harris vote as selecting ‘the lesser of two evils.’ If there had been a real alternative, not even a particular affirmative position but some kind of ‘none of the above, find new candidates’ option, I have to wonder what the results could have looked like.
Maybe a third party, perhaps?
The Democrats need to be real and nominate people who Republicans might actually consider.
This sort of nonsense is why we have Democrats in Congress right now suggesting increasing the ICE budget.
What we need to radical American populism. Freedom liberty and justice for all. A candidate who stands against the wealthy class in favor of the 99%
That’s a the ideal candidate you want winning but whose going to finance that platform? I can’t see that winning the next election against the weslth and influence of the 1%. And since the US is locked into a 2 party system, you only get 1 chance to beat the Republicans, so the Democrats need to be realistic and represent all voters of today, not the idealised future.
Quick. Find a pedophile.
That’s not what you should be trying to do.
if you can convince democrats to vote, they will win because there are more of them.
Convince them to stay home because the election is a foregone conclusion
Just get more people voting. Study after study on US politics proves that if voting percentages were higher, the GOP would probably never be back in power.
There’s a reason they focus so much on removing voters from the rolls, removing voting locations, making it illegal to provide water to those waiting in line (because they only have a handful of locations after removing them all) and making it just generally harder to vote across the board.
When talking to right-wingers, convince them both parties are the same and encourage 3rd-party voting
When talking to anyone left-of-center, encourage them to vote in elections, especially primaries
When you talk to right wingers, don’t say “trump is a fascist”, you need to water it down.
Talk about the issues that hurt them. Inflasion. Cost of living.
Don’t bother trying to convince them to vote blue, it’s gonna “trigger” their brainwashed programming and they will just ignore you. Focus on convincing that “Republicans are just as bad as Democrats!¹ Lets vote 3rd party!”
¹Cuz they view Democrats as “evil”… so you need to “code-switch” when trying to Psyop against them.
When talking to anyone left-of-center, encourage them to vote in elections, especially primaries
I think the greatest encouragement to vote in primaries would be if the party were to provide some assurance that they’re willing to run primaries without tilting the scales in favor of the people that the establishment likes and no one else does.
Or indeed, run primaries at all. People to the left are shut out of the party at every turn, and then told “You’ll be voting for a pro-genocide ghoul because we decided for you. If you don’t like the candidate we ordered you to like, it’s your fault for not voting in the primaries we didn’t have.”
That message may be satisfying to centrists, but it alienates the left. It’s a losing message and the party can no longer afford to keep sending it.
Inflation always goes up. Both parties are just 2 sides if the same coin. But they other things u mentioned are a bit misleading cos inflation under trump is way better than biden. And cost of living was mostly a bidden problem.
Inflation
As u can see the big bump is bidden the rest is trump.I vagly remember everyone saying trump was failing cos egg prices kept going up.
Looks like trunk kept his promise.And we can get a feel for cost of living CPI (consumer price index) CPI
Its continuously going up but at a far slower rate under trump compared to biden.Are u saying that u should lie to trump/Vance voters or are you simply unaware of the actual data?
A gun.
Brainstorming here but you have to factor in that right wing media exists to manipulate these people. To specifically fix it, a major part is reverse engineering right wing media and crashing it.
A) prevent chuck schumer from continuing to be in office. Fascist media needs a villain, wrestling needs a heel. remove the low hanging fruit and they start infighting because how could the new guy be responsible for old problems? The “deep state” mythology exists to explain why republican policies (tax cuts) don’t produce results (prosperity).
B) make the new conservative fad to be off social media - camping or whatever it doesnt matter. Get them away from the echo chamber for five minutes and see if boredom without internet causes their brain cells to start working again. At the very least this would reduce the profitability of the media by reducing view counts.
C) People in tennessee are so pilled they thought they could vote against mamdani in the New York Mayoral election. Guerrilla education would be a funny way to combat the stupidity of MAGA. Its speculated that Trump is obsessed with greenland because he thinks its huge due to map distortion on mercator map projections. A way to show how dumb this is indirectly would be to give out free globes.
Edit: I should say it would be easier to win an election with somebody in office like Mamdani who has both charisma and good values. But since the question is specifically getting trumpers to not vote, the answers are what they are.
Its speculated that Trump is obsessed with greenland because he thinks its huge due to map distortion on mercator map projections. A way to show how dumb this is indirectly would be to give out free globes.
Tech bros pulling Stephen Miller’s puppet strings want greenland’s minerals.
Also just a side note, Greenland is roughly 3 times the size of texas. It’s not exactly “small”, even if mercator maps do make it look significantly larger than it is. (comparably to africa, lol.)
They could also fund mines there without attempting to turn it into a US territory. Imo if this was just about mines they would already have done it.
My guess would be the tech bros also want to use it as some kind of utopian bioshock style project, which is the only remotely plausible explanation for pushing it so hard.
