There are a large number of Americans that think:
- Anything touching them there makes them gay - still not sure how your hand and TP is any different
- It will hurt - yeah… IDK
- It’s gross, or it doesn’t get you clean - uh…wiping some paper on it does? how???
Some american men refuse to touch their own penis while washing, due to a fear of it making them gay. I’d tell them they need therapy, but they’d tell me that therapy is for the weak.
I’m pretty sure those are the same types that start anti pedophilia groups to then be charged with and convicted of pedophilia. Or the anti gay/drag people who end up being gay AF. Or the ones that try to ban porn, only to have 10tb of porn on their computers when they get fired/breakup/get arrested. But I know what you mean.
What a cool country!
It’s the republicans. They push this moral filth on everyone.
I know someone who thinks it just sprays shit over everything
I know a lot of people think the same thing. I’ve even seen people say so on here/reddit, on other bidet posts.
Because unfortunately, even stupid people know how to use the Internet.
I only have anecdotes, but as an American, it’s #1. It was my initial off the cuff thought. Buttholes are verboten here. Full stop.
Right? It’s really weird though because a lot of those same people talk about eating ass, a LOT.
Everybody, touch your asshole. Just once and from that day on you will be different
CUZ EATIN ASS FUCKIN RULEZ
There are valid concerns with regard to bidet use. They do result in aerosolized particulates in greater number than results from wiping, which means you are literally breathing more feces.
Is it enough to be problematic? Probably not, but that may also depend on how aggressively/frequently you use them.
See also:
- Ali, Wajid, et al. “Comparing bioaerosol emission after flushing in squat and bidet toilets: Quantitative microbial risk assessment for defecation and hand washing postures.” Building and Environment 221 (2022): 109284.
- Abney, S. E., et al. “Toilet hygiene—review and research needs.” Journal of Applied Microbiology 131.6 (2021): 2705-2714.
As an American who’s unsure.
I don’t like the thought of water spraying into my ass
I started using them in my adult life so maybe I can give some insight
it feels a little uncomfortable the first time. Not because it’s necessarily uncomfortable, but more because it’s a foreign feeling.
You get used to it after the 2nd or 3rd time though. Once you use a bidet it’s hard to go back to TP
It doesn’t spray INTO your ass. I mean, I guess it could, but you’d have to REALLY try to make it happen.
You just need good sphincter control! It’s quite refreshing.
I’ve just been traumatized by water jets before 😅
Its really the first one tho.
Striaght american men will fight you before they will let water spray on their dirty asses.
Because the tradition of wiping until it’s red is deeply rooted in american toilet culture.
It’s refered to as “better red than dead”
I have never heard that and it deeply disturbs me because this does seem like it’d be an American thing…
It’s a joke. The phrase is “better dead than red” and is an anti-communist phrase.
“better red than dead” is a joke - that’s usually a play on political parties or football teams. But what isn’t a joke, something that I’ve heard from american women, is that they’ve dated some american men who:
- don’t masturbate because touching a penis is gay
- don’t wash their penis with soap and water, just water, letting the water run down the penis, but not touch it, because you’d be holding a man’s dick in your hands.
- if they do masturbate, they might just leave their mess on the floor, even if it’s carpet, for years and never clean it. Stains under a computer desk should be treated with a hazmat suit. This is different from the american men who save their mess in jars… I have no comment for that.
- don’t touch their penis when they pee. that’s what the zipper in the front is for. I mean, doing this in public would mean other men see you with a man’s cock in your hand. That’s … uh you know…
- don’t get prostate exams (this one may be more self-explainitory, doesn’t make it right though).
And then they (guys who say this stuff) wonder why american men have a mental health crisis. Well (addressing the guys who say this stuff), buddy, part of it is you.
And then they wonder why american men have a mental health crisis. Well, buddy, part of it is you.
What part of any of that makes it partly because of me? This seem more like an off-topic rant.
I am an American and the only two I’ve heard is:
“don’t masturbate because touching a penis is gay”
Every time has been religion driven homophobia related.
don’t get prostate exams (this one may be more self-explainitory, doesn’t make it right though).
Goes back to the last one as well.
Probably why religion has been on a decline.
Sorry, not you you… I was refering to the men who do the things I outlined.
Nah, I understand. I just didn’t comprehend lol But yes, I agree!
I think that by “you” he means American men.
“Damn, we’re having a mental health crisis.” “Part of that is on you.”
Am I making sense? Sorry if I’m not.
toilet paper mafia.
Americans voted for him though
Bidet? Biden?
I think you me question is missing some key words. “Why isn’t the use of the bidet more widespread in the USA and other western countries?”
I am in Vietnam right now and nearly every bathroom has a bum gun to wash your bits. When I was in Japan nearly every bathroom had bits to wash you built into the toilet seat with digital controls. These are not just in homes and nice places, but also at 7-11, train stations, airports and even hole in the wall places. Wish USA/Canada had this as we all know how much it sucks when out and you have a forever wipe.
Bum gun >>> bidet
I find wiping just doesn’t do it for me… I can wipe myself raw and still have itching…
But a trip to the bidet clears it all up.
Same as in Thailand, Japan, Cambodia, Malaysia, Singapore, India, Pakistan, Iran, China… Yeah it’s most of the world.
Because of “big toilet paper”. They even tried to assassinate a spokesperson for japanes toilets.
I wish I could find it again but this was years ago now that I saw a news story about the rise of women getting UTI’s from bidet usage in Japan specifically.
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but it’d purify ur but hole
according to south park it’s because of toilet paper companies
Big TP lobbying against us 😭
in Vietnam, if a place wants to appear fancy and luxurious, they will try to appear “foreigner”. so they will remove the bidet and put toilet paper in its place.
nice office you’ve got here do you mind if I waddle around like a fancy man with shit on my asshole
Not gatekeeping, but if you have never seen one, this is a proper bidet https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Bidet_weiss.jpg/623px-Bidet_weiss.jpg
I installed on the kamode at the beginning of year and it’s been a game changer.
But for an installed bidet, after business, do you just move over, sit, turn on the tap, then aim? I’ve seen them in the movies, but it’s not like they show the process.
When I googled it last, what I found was like, “fill the basin, then use your hands or a rag.” That sounds pretty messy, if that’s how those OG taint tubs work.
These are mandatory in Italy from my understanding, but I much prefer the Japanese style
Yes, I had that in my house
Most adults in the west don’t even wash their hands after using the bathroom.
MOST!?
(Source conspicuously missing.)
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I want to believe that most wash their hands after defecating, at the least.
Source?
OK, maybe we should just accelerate this climate crisis and get rid of humans, something has clearly gone wrong.
Today you have the bidets you can install on your toilet, but traditionally they were a thing on its own, that required about as much space as a toilet and all the extra pipework associated with it.
In some European/ Mediterranean countries (I suspect France may have started the trend) this caught on well, and bidets were a must have in most houses that had toilets as part of their main architectural structure. Most people in South America had bidets this way, it’s rare to see a house without at least one bidet, and this comes from the culture inherited from colonial times .
Now, things are different in othe parts of the world. England seems to traditionally have the toilet separate from the house and for some reason the bidet trend never caught on. This is in turn reflected both in USA and Australia. I don’t know about bidet popularity across all of Europe, but this is definitely a cultural thing and I suspect distance and language may have kept UK without bidets until relatively recently. And as you know, old habits die hard, so… Yeah in Australia I use the shower.
in Italy, there is literally a law obligating houses to have a bidet. the separated from the toilet kind.
the separated from the toilet kind.
I don’t understand how those work at all…seems like that would be a recipe for poop tracks from the toilet.
well… it is time to explain to an internet stranger how we clean our bum.
- you shit on the toilet
- you wipe with tp one or two times
- get up, sit on the bidet
- water, soap on the hand, and you scrub your ass with your hand, no this is not gay
- go again with water and soap until you feel your ass is clean
- dry with a small towel
the towel is generally personal, and we change it every couple of days.
That may have been sarcastic, but I appreciated the info. It beats having to take a shower.
What part of cleaning your ass could be misconstrued as gay? Feels like an unnecessary aside, haha. Thanks for the step by step though, that makes sense!
i legit have no idea, but on every tread talking about bitets, there is always someone that discards it because is gay to touch your own ass
Legit question: Do you wash your hands again after that?
oh, yes, felt like it was obvious… i’m not touching anything without washing my hands after that.
Well I mean I do that in the shower, and I don’t wash my hands again after the shower, so I have no idea what the mentality is.
Just another reason to like Italy even more.
not surprised that Italy (who has a history of fascism and from what I heard currently has a fascist leader) has an authoritarian law requiring that people do things in their own homes (kinda like some HOAs in the US. Although, I have to admit, we must have lucked out with a HOA that’s not one of the shitty ones you always hear about)
“Hey you need to build the house with these features in order for it to be approved”
“Wuh what??? This is literally fascism”
you are not obligated to use it.
fascism is when regulation
brit here.
can confirm. i sit on the side of the bath and wash my arse with the shower. The only house i have seen in the UK with a bidet was essentially a mansion
Fellow Brit, I just shave my arse crack to prevent Klingons.
“today is a good day to die!” flush
“Glory! To you and your ass!”
England seems to traditionally have the toilet separate from the house and for some reason the bidet trend never caught on
Uh… wut?
The UK has lots of old housing stock, built before the concept of indoor plumbing, so there was nowhere to put a toilet in lots of properties when they started to become a thing, hence you’d put it seperate from the house in an outhouse style set-up. We also lost less of the country to warfare during the two wars so didn’t have to rebuild whole cities, so the conversion to move those toilets inside was still going on as we moved to the later half of the 20th century. My old man didn’t have an indoor toilet in his childhood home until he was a teenager, he was born in the late 50s.
You still go to pubs these days that are old enough that the loos are disconnected from the main building as they’ve been there for so many years.
I live in the UK and nothing you’ve said here is congruent with my experience. I don’t recall ever being in any building whatsoever that had no indoor toilet, including pubs.
there was
In the past. A long way in the past.
as we moved to the later half of the 20th century
The move to the later half of the 20th century was 70 years ago.
Near where my sister lives on the edge of Bristol there are several pubs with outdoor toilet blocks. It’s usually country pubs or ones old enough to be listed. You’re not going to find many in cities these days.
I once read a book where this particular bathroom appliance was very intimately connected with prostitutes throughout history and that association created a big push against having it in every house. It was an interesting read.
In my country in particular, it became mandatory in every newly built house starting around the 50s and later it became mandatory to have one bidet and one bathtub in every house.
This was pushed to enforce a notion of hygiene that was lacking, as the country was very poor at the time. Paradoxically, it was easier to have higher standards of hygiene in the country, where access to water was easier and the field labour demanded a minimal cleanliness to be at the table and socially than in the growing cities, where poor living conditions made very difficult for the poor to access running water.
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Believe it or not. Homophobia plays a substantial part in it.
Hell we got men who refuse to wipe at all for fear it makes them gay if anything touches their anus.
Really? No shit??
*Really? Lots of shit.
Actually there’s tons of shit, premium weapons-grade starfish chocolate coating undesirable cakes.
At least they are easily identifying themselves. After careful thought, I kinda feel like this should violate public indecency laws.
I know in some circles it can get you fired, considering you are contaminating for the workplace and creating an environment that is hostile to other workers. I mean they can get on to you for just having body odor. Unfortunately I’ve had issues where it was the manager who is doing this shit, and good luck getting him fired
I gave it another thought, and if they really believe that if anything touching their anus would make them gay, then it should also remain untouched by a turd, and they should stop defecating to prevent themselves from becoming gay. Life will be sacred then - and short…
This sounds totally made up. Where are you getting this info from?
Yea lol, I’m not buying this either
I think the answer is just that most don’t know about them, having grown up in homes without them. They are quite nice though.
They may also be perceived as too expensive, if they only know of full toilet replacement kinds and not the seat replacements you can get for less than $100.
I really just don’t like the idea of it, feels like a very uncomfortable situation for me. But I’m pretty uneducated on the topic.
- It’d have to be warm water
- Wouldn’t it be messer, spraying it all over?
- Don’t you still have to wipe, ya know cause your wet now.
- Too much work to implement when the TP has been successful (No problem to solve)
Remodeled the house including bathrooms, went for japanese style bidet (i.e. included in the toilet). Would not want to live without it.
- water temperature, as well as pressure, is adjustable. I have on with different presets, so every family member gets to have their own favorite setting
- not messy at all, has a very directed jet of water. Of course you can splash around sitting weirdly on the toilet, but that needs to be very deliberate. Mine has a function that when nobody sits on the toilet, the jet won’t start.
- there’s options with blow dryers, but even if not, just one dab to dry off instead of wiping and wiping and wiping.
- according to my plumber, it was one more water hose and an electric plug to connect. The device itself of course is much more expensive than a stander toilet. Just using TP now feels so terrible unhygienic. Imagine getting shit on your hand, and you have paper towels, or running water (and paper towels) to clean up. What would you choose? Maybe not really a “problem” solves, but a very, very nice luxury.
Thank you for addressing my concerns, adjustable pressure would be a key thing. After a few other replies as well, I have actually ordered one to give it a try.
I have a bidet add-on for my regular toilet (North American style), and I’m wondering what the cost Delta is for the Japanese style toilet was. My SO and I are planning on adding a bathroom to the house and we’re definitely getting a bidet, it’s just a matter of what we get, and I’ve been thinking to get one built into the toilet at least. But I’m not sure if it will explode our budget.
What was your experience?
The one we got was really expensive, but it was the only brand available in Germany that actually has those things in the market for 10+ years (so it’s a well tested product). It’s one of the premium brands for bathroom “furniture” anyway, and the bidet ones are their top of the line bowls, so I guess in the end we’re not just paying premium for the bidet. Including installation and all the other parts, I think it was something like 3 or 3.5k EUR. I don’t really have any comparison (the cheaper brand would be around 1k less), but the thing is well thought through, has tons of options, easy to clean, easy maintenance, and has some really long warranty. I still feel I splurged on it, but in the grand scheme of things when remodeling a house (roughly 150k in total), I did not really register. Don’t know if that helps in any way…
Thanks! It definitely set some expectation for me. At least I know an approximate ballpark for a high end one.
I hope you continue to enjoy it for a very long time.
Imagine poo being on any other part of you body where you except a piece of paper is enough to get rid of it.
Okay, I see you. I’m part of the bidet users, so I’ll weigh in.
Warm water bidets exist, they’re a bit more of a hassle to install, but they exist, and I promise you that it doesn’t really matter. I have a basic cold water bidet, and it’s not as weird as you would think, and I thought I would want the warm water bidet like you, but after a few uses, I didn’t care at all. I’m not here to convince you between warm/cold water, if you want it, that’s totally fine.
It’s definitely not messier. Initially sure, it’s probably a complete mess, but you’re not just doing a quick/short spray. After a few seconds, everything is running clean. The water is clean and so are you.
Wiping is still a thing. I’ve heard some fancy bidets have air dryers to finish the job, it’s not what I have/use, so I dry myself with TP. Unless you spend a fortune, you will too. I’ll say that it takes significantly less tp on average to dry myself off from the bidet than it does to clean myself with TP alone. So my TP use is significantly reduced. Saving money on TP by smartly using a little water, is a good trade IMO.
I wouldn’t say TP is “successful”. I would say it’s adequate at best. In a pinch it does enough to keep the smell and filth to a minimum. By no means is the bidet perfect, certainly there are improvements that can be made, but it’s better. To put this in perspective, when you next tear a sheet of TP and get some of it on your hand, try wiping it off with TP and see if you feel like your hand is clean. I’d put money on the fact that it won’t feel clean until you properly wash it. That’s what you’re doing with your asshole. You wipe it down with paper and then go about your day. It’s “clean”… As in, not caked in shit, but it’s still not really clean. There’s still bacteria and other gross ass shit (pun absolutely intended) on your anus.
Additional to that, your butthole is a sensitive membrane on your body that you’re cleaning with coarse paper all the time. Bidets have been shown to help with various anus related issues like hemorrhoids. Do you want hemorrhoids? If so, keep scraping that sandpaper over your butthole and I’m sure you’ll get there some day.
To the point of it being “too much work”: my partner and I picked up a luxe bidet neo (I think it’s the 120). Super cheap, no frills model. We didn’t want to invest because, like you, we weren’t sure if we were going to like it/use it. We do, all the time. We’re planning on renovating and adding a new bathroom and the new bathroom is getting a bidet when it goes in. Something very nice. Without question. But the luxe model we have was less than $100, and attached to the existing water hookups. It came with everything we needed (we had to also fix a slow leak on the main inlet to the toilet, so we replaced most of the lines in the process, but if our lines had been good, we would have only needed the extra hardware that came with the bidet, in the box). To that end, it’s only a matter of picking one up for less than $100 and taking 15 minutes to install using the directions. No plumber needed, no special tools required (maybe just some wrenches… The bidet comes with some plastic wrenches that are Ikea quality, so having an adjustable/worm-gear wrench is helpful).
So if you have less than $100 sitting around doing nothing, and you can spare 15 minutes… You can have a bidet. So I respectively disagree that it’s “too much work to implement”.
I’ll leave you with this statement: don’t knock it until you try it. It’s changed our lives for the better.
Okay, thank you for your very detailed response, at times too detailed. But you’ve convinced me to at least try it. I just ordered the luxe 120 plus on Amazon for $45, we’ll see how it goes.
Again, thank you for this potentially life changing information.
I wish you all the best. Sorry for being a bit… Overly complete with my information.
I hope you like it as much as we do.
Don’t apologize brother, it’s easy to get carried away in the zeal of spreading the gospel of the wash’ed ass.
I think you’ll be disappointed with the bidet. Your original comment is correct, they are inconvenient and solve a non-problem.
It’s annoying waddling from the toilet to the bidet with a dirty ass. It takes time to wash. Then you use more paper to dry than you would have to just wipe. And you don’t feel cleaner afterwards because wiping is fine.
There’s no polite way to say it, some people like bidets because they make a big mess when they use the toilet. For them bidets are more convenient than paper. For the average person wiping is quicker and easier.
Okay so your comment about “waddling from the toilet to the bidet” is all someone needs to read to know that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Detached bidets exist, but nobody is buying them for $45 on Amazon.
The type of bidet that people are talking about here are ones that attach to your toilet. You twist a knob to activate the sprayer, which hits where it’s supposed to hit without you having to move.
You don’t waddle anywhere. It takes 5 seconds to wash. You use one wipe with 3 squares to dry, which is hopefully at least a few times less than you use when you dry wipe. You absolutely feel cleaner afterwards, because you’re using water to remove the shit instead of smearing it around with dry paper.
The problem that it solves is that you don’t have to walk around with an unwashed ass. Maybe having a disgusting unwashed ass isn’t a problem for you. Maybe if you got shit on another part of your body, you’d just wipe it with some TP and call it good. I’m not judging. Seems weird as hell that you’re trying to shame people who would rather use water to get the shit off, though.
Just in case, the bidet type they were describing attaches to the toilet directly. No waddling required.
I’m also not sure about you but when it comes time to dry for me it’s 1 “normal use” wipe. Maybe it’s a matter of aiming the water so you’re not splashing all over yourself? Could also be that (by the sounds of it) you have the full scale bidet where you’re meant to dry with a towel? I don’t really know much about those ones.
Do you wash your ass in the shower? Does that make it dirtier? How you think washing with water is going to be dirtier than smearing with paper is mind boggling. Do you just wipe your hands with paper towels when you’re done wiping or do you wash them in a sink with water?
I was referring to spraying shit everywhere. As stated uneducated on the topic but its a valid concern. 😂
They have warmers, both water and seat.
No, your butt and legs cover it.
No, that’s what it awesome if you get a good one it cleans all the bits.
I switched with COVID cause y’all are out of pocket with the TP. Never looked back. I think have bought one pack of TP since.
One pack of TP since!? That’s incredible! Thank you for your reply, I have decided to give it a try to see how it goes. Just never really explored the idea before.
I’m a fan. It’s a bit off putting at first. But it’s just like taking a shower. What’s the difference?
As an avid bidet user I feel compelled to answer your points
- it is always warm water (unless you are a masochist, no judgement)
- it points directly to where it needs to go so it stays confined within its domain
- you have to wipe both before and after (before to wipe away most of it, after to dry it)
- it is not a replacement of tp, it is complementary. You need both to achieve full cleaning
All in all I would not live without it anymore, after trying it and reaching enlightenment. 5/5 stars.
Thank you for your reply. I hadn’t really explored the idea of using one before coming across this post. I figured it would be in some way complementary but based on other comments it wasn’t really clear. I’ve decided to give a cheaper one on Amazon a try another person recommended.
It’s not just a blind firehose pointed at your ass. There is accuracy with them, good pressure, so you are cleaning more effectively, and the water is ideally contained in the toilet and to your ass crack for the most part, which you’re already wanting to clean anyway.
As somebody quite hairy, it helps me get cleaner, more quickly, save tp, and leave nothing to question. I often dab off with a little double fold to dry a little. Idgaf about a little dampness, at least my ass isn’t grimey.
Think about how you pressure wash a deck or home exterior, you wouldn’t just take a fuckin paper towel and some cleaner and hope your house looks immaculate.
Cold water up your ass on a winter morning is cheap, quick and a lot closer than coffee places so the lack of a warm water line doesn’t bother me any.
I’ve had a bidet for a while now and here has been my experience:
- I have a cold water bidet which used to annoy me a bit but I soon got to the point where I don’t even notice or care. At any rate, there are warm water bidets but you will need to run a hot water line off of your sink likely.
- You get water on your ass which to me feels cleaner than an ass which hasn’t been washed at all. Using paper in public places now makes me wish bidets were more widely used because TP alone doesn’t leave me feeling clean anymore. I suppose you would get water everywhere if you were squatting instead of sitting.
- You can let it air dry but even if you don’t, it takes a lot less TP than wiping without it. We go through less than half of the TP that we used to before getting the bidet.
- TP is convenient but not cheap. You can get a quality home bidet for $20-$30 which will save you a good amount of money in the long run since you won’t be going through nearly as much TP.
I used to think bidets were weird until I started using one on a regular basis. Now I can’t live without it.
You don’t need to run a hot water line, a lot of models just use electricity to warm a small tank of water. This will work better then a hot water line since you would have to wait till you flush the cold water out of the line. Unless you have a recirculation pump for your hot water I guess.
Thank you for your reply. After yours and others replies, I’ve went ahead and order one to give it a try. I just hadn’t really explored the idea before. Thanks for the information!
I installed one at home. Cost is an issue especially when you need a gfci outlet installed behind the toilet. But if you’re willing to do all that then:
- Water is heated by the unit
- The spray is direct to center. Doesn’t deviate unless you don’t sit correctly.
- You only have to wipe once if you want to be sure, but the bidet comes with an air dryer.
- Some benefits is if you have hemorrhoids it doesnt irritate them like toilet paper and it does feel way cleaner than tp.
I’ve decided to order a cheaper one and see how it goes. I happen to have plug close enough so that’s a plus. The cleanliness is really what is convincing me towards it. Thank you for your reply.
- warm water bidets exist, but cold water isnt as bad as you think
- no, thats a common misconception
- you can pat dry with a couple squares of TP, or keep a towel handy since you’re clean now
- you ever see all the nooks and crannies of a butthole? You’re going to hurt yourself before you’re actually clean if you’re just wiping with dry paper. You’re smearing shit around your asshole and then going about your day with a shitty asshole acting like that’s not a problem that needs solving
