All my friends have android phones and they are tech illiterate. This is common thing in every generation ig. Not a gen z specific thing. I have seen millennial tech nerds and tech illiterates
I think it’s less to do with IOS vs Android and more to do with phone vs PC (potentially even ones where you had to use command prompt to do things). File systems, OS corruption, ability to replace parts, etc are not really things a typical phone-only user is going to deal with. There are a lot of primarily phone, tablet, Chromebook users these days and it abstracts away a lot of the lower-level stuff that millennials were forced to deal with to use AOL Instant Messenger to chat.
yep, a lot of people at my school have no laptop except the school provided Chromebook, use mostly iPhones, and due to using Chromebooks and iPhones for everything they never actually touch the inner workings of the OS
People have said that Linux sucks because there are barely any games and game mods for it
Yeah, go tell that to Steam about the steam deck lol, Stray runs great under proton, you can even get it to kinda-sorta work on low-end hardware
Yeah you can say that also i recently fixed a friend’s pc which was not booting to windows, all i had to do was change the boot priority to the one with windows on it.
Still better then iOS, it’s a trade off tho, I used to flash a new rom like once a month for fun and because I was hoping to get an extra feature or a little extra power, really not necessary anymore with a good android phone. I did still root and rom my old android devices recently tho :P
If you really want to get angry have a look at this list. Storage and screen casting are some of the most egregious examples. Android may still be somewhat ahead of iOS but they are definitely converging. I don’t find Android to be the bastion of openness, customization and powerful features that I once did.
How is Storage and Miracast removed? This is just scaremongering. Yes some of the root directories can be an issue, but storage as in internal and SD card storage are fully accessible. Also, my Android 10 phone has screen mirroring that casts to more or less any TV (never tried Apple TV though).
Android has its pain points but they are not these.
It’s because computers and phones have shifted to be simultaneously more complicated and with more intuitive UI for casual users. 75 years ago most people who owned a car could do a lot of routine maintenance and even some more advanced engine work because the cars were way simpler. Millennials just lucked out that they grew up in a tome when computers were way less complicated and also cheap enough to be consumer goods. It’s not because of any one company, but the natural evolution of the technology.
I wouldn’t say it’s lucky, there are tons of jobs that require & presume you to have the most basic knowledge about filesystem or folder hierarchy and the young hires I’ve had in the last few years act like I’m throwing them into an advanced calculus class. Mouths agape and eyebrows scrunched up as I slowly show them where files go, like I’ve invented fire in front of their eyes.
Its a phone vs PC thing. Less than 5% of Android community exists as enthusiasts who actively or formerly modded their phones in some capacity (rooting, bootloaders, one click root). Rest of the Android users are negligibly more literate than iOS users, and its mainly because of a real open filesystem and some people needing call recording feature.
I did put your claim that most Android users know more than ios users, I think most phone users only know and care about the squares on their home screen. They’re all terrible, but at least they can’t break their device by default.
I’ve basically never needed to open the files app on Android or iOS except on rare occasions when I needed to find a downloaded file.
If you used it, that is all that matters. It does not matter when even its just once that your friend or colleague or work guy sent you a document file, which you can work with in Android/Windows/Linux, but not iOS. The file manager also allows for your phone to work as a USB pendrive in clutch situations.
Sounds like bullshit. I’m a millennial and most people I know know shit about computers. Even those who use them every day only know how to do the few things they need to do and that’s it.
So I don’t think gen Z is any worse in that, most people suck, regardless of generation, with computers and that’s it.
More people drive a car than understand how it works. They push the pedal and turn the wheel and get where they want to go. Of course that’s fine most of the time and we can’t all understand everything like a mechanic does. But when it’s something like a car or a computer that you use so, so much in your daily life and you don’t care to have even the most basic understanding of how it works… seems strange to me.
Hasn’t helped most of them in western Europe though, in a lot of elementary schools they now teach about basic computer skills like how folders work (and they spend weeks on that).
It’s never been about a specific company or anything, it’s just that more people are using computers and don’t actually have to learn anything to use them.
I’m not sure either part is true given how many software and hardware engineers get churned out every year. I think what happened is the same kind of people who would never have touched a computer in 1992 now have even more powerful computers in their pockets, but they are used for only 3 or 4 different apps. For the most part, it’s very consumption driven versus interaction. Designed to be put into the pockets of plebs in order to drive revenue because it can’t be too difficult.
I would posit that most people working in business at this point don’t even need things as powerful as a modern PC.
I would posit that most people working in business at this point don’t even need things as powerful as a modern PC.
I’m not going to speak to the rest of it but this hit a sore spot. You’re exactly right. Most applications that most office workers use are web based. Heavy lifting is done on the server or, more commonly these days, through SaaS. Most workers could do what they need on a Chromebook.
Obviously there are some exceptions but not too many depending on what business and department you’re in.
No I’d say that it has more to do with improved usability and better design overall making them unable to fix issues when they do occur. There isn’t one specific company or system to blame. Nearly everything has, for better or for worse, been boiled down into a webapp where there is minimal potential for error.
It’s also not really fair to compare gen z to Millenials as Millennials have had nearly twice as much time to figure things out.
The way I see it, things have been filtered down to a design concept of “simplify until a toddler can figure it out” and that’s been followed by so many designs that everyone has overlooked all the drawbacks of designing in that fashion. People have become wildly content with simple apps that lack personal configuration or extended functionality because users now lack so much basic knowledge or expect crazy things to the point that if they come across any small issue they will call technical support, leave a crazed email, or complain loudly on social media long before they every actually considered solving the issue themselves or even checking online to see how others arrived at the issue. I kinda feel like I’m just rambling right now but for a long time society, at least here in the US, normalized and and removed negative connotations from the term “computer illiterate” to the point that it’s become not only the norm but the design goal.
You used to be able to find solutions to issues online, but now all you get are sites that scrape Stack Overflow and paywall it, or you get those 30 paragraph long articles that are actually 4 sentences to describe the fix.
I train my company’s end users weekly and your just stating facts. People graduating college don’t have the computer skills that the 60 year old receptionist does, because she took the time to fucking learn because her job depended on it.
I’d piss on Steve Jobs’ grave if I knew where it was. And the propensity for schools to take the cheap route and use chromebooks in the classroom is the next wave.
“Apple just woooorks!” fuck off. Use on-prem enterprise accounting software, line-of-business applications or boutique software, anything in a manufacturing space and tell me how fucking well it just works.
Yes, there are 17 different packages from 25 different sources that you can Frankenstein together to make that enterprise work, but despite the bullshit that comes with it, enterprises run on windows desktop. And Sally, your word processor frankly is the same damn thing either way. You’re not that special.
My hot take is that Gen Z is less tech literate than Millennials and it’s almost entirely due to iOS.
Never take tech advice from someone who hasn’t removed the device manufacturers advertisement from their email signature
All my friends have android phones and they are tech illiterate. This is common thing in every generation ig. Not a gen z specific thing. I have seen millennial tech nerds and tech illiterates
I think it’s less to do with IOS vs Android and more to do with phone vs PC (potentially even ones where you had to use command prompt to do things). File systems, OS corruption, ability to replace parts, etc are not really things a typical phone-only user is going to deal with. There are a lot of primarily phone, tablet, Chromebook users these days and it abstracts away a lot of the lower-level stuff that millennials were forced to deal with to use AOL Instant Messenger to chat.
yep, a lot of people at my school have no laptop except the school provided Chromebook, use mostly iPhones, and due to using Chromebooks and iPhones for everything they never actually touch the inner workings of the OS
People have said that Linux sucks because there are barely any games and game mods for it
Yeah, go tell that to Steam about the steam deck lol, Stray runs great under proton, you can even get it to kinda-sorta work on low-end hardware
Yeah you can say that also i recently fixed a friend’s pc which was not booting to windows, all i had to do was change the boot priority to the one with windows on it.
This is why I never tell anyone I am tech literate. The solutions are always so inane.
Android is also dogshit for power users these days
Still better then iOS, it’s a trade off tho, I used to flash a new rom like once a month for fun and because I was hoping to get an extra feature or a little extra power, really not necessary anymore with a good android phone. I did still root and rom my old android devices recently tho :P
If you really want to get angry have a look at this list. Storage and screen casting are some of the most egregious examples. Android may still be somewhat ahead of iOS but they are definitely converging. I don’t find Android to be the bastion of openness, customization and powerful features that I once did.
https://en.everybodywiki.com/List_of_features_removed_from_Android
How is Storage and Miracast removed? This is just scaremongering. Yes some of the root directories can be an issue, but storage as in internal and SD card storage are fully accessible. Also, my Android 10 phone has screen mirroring that casts to more or less any TV (never tried Apple TV though).
Android has its pain points but they are not these.
It’s because computers and phones have shifted to be simultaneously more complicated and with more intuitive UI for casual users. 75 years ago most people who owned a car could do a lot of routine maintenance and even some more advanced engine work because the cars were way simpler. Millennials just lucked out that they grew up in a tome when computers were way less complicated and also cheap enough to be consumer goods. It’s not because of any one company, but the natural evolution of the technology.
I wouldn’t say it’s lucky, there are tons of jobs that require & presume you to have the most basic knowledge about filesystem or folder hierarchy and the young hires I’ve had in the last few years act like I’m throwing them into an advanced calculus class. Mouths agape and eyebrows scrunched up as I slowly show them where files go, like I’ve invented fire in front of their eyes.
This reminded me of Principal Skinner’s “furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation”
Its a phone vs PC thing. Less than 5% of Android community exists as enthusiasts who actively or formerly modded their phones in some capacity (rooting, bootloaders, one click root). Rest of the Android users are negligibly more literate than iOS users, and its mainly because of a real open filesystem and some people needing call recording feature.
I did put your claim that most Android users know more than ios users, I think most phone users only know and care about the squares on their home screen. They’re all terrible, but at least they can’t break their device by default.
I’ve basically never needed to open the files app on Android or iOS except on rare occasions when I needed to find a downloaded file.
If you used it, that is all that matters. It does not matter when even its just once that your friend or colleague or work guy sent you a document file, which you can work with in Android/Windows/Linux, but not iOS. The file manager also allows for your phone to work as a USB pendrive in clutch situations.
Sounds like bullshit. I’m a millennial and most people I know know shit about computers. Even those who use them every day only know how to do the few things they need to do and that’s it.
So I don’t think gen Z is any worse in that, most people suck, regardless of generation, with computers and that’s it.
More people drive a car than understand how it works. They push the pedal and turn the wheel and get where they want to go. Of course that’s fine most of the time and we can’t all understand everything like a mechanic does. But when it’s something like a car or a computer that you use so, so much in your daily life and you don’t care to have even the most basic understanding of how it works… seems strange to me.
Put in mind that’s only in Murica. In the rest of the world Android rocks
Hasn’t helped most of them in western Europe though, in a lot of elementary schools they now teach about basic computer skills like how folders work (and they spend weeks on that).
It’s never been about a specific company or anything, it’s just that more people are using computers and don’t actually have to learn anything to use them.
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I’m not sure either part is true given how many software and hardware engineers get churned out every year. I think what happened is the same kind of people who would never have touched a computer in 1992 now have even more powerful computers in their pockets, but they are used for only 3 or 4 different apps. For the most part, it’s very consumption driven versus interaction. Designed to be put into the pockets of plebs in order to drive revenue because it can’t be too difficult.
I would posit that most people working in business at this point don’t even need things as powerful as a modern PC.
I’m not going to speak to the rest of it but this hit a sore spot. You’re exactly right. Most applications that most office workers use are web based. Heavy lifting is done on the server or, more commonly these days, through SaaS. Most workers could do what they need on a Chromebook.
Obviously there are some exceptions but not too many depending on what business and department you’re in.
They need the ram not the processor
No I’d say that it has more to do with improved usability and better design overall making them unable to fix issues when they do occur. There isn’t one specific company or system to blame. Nearly everything has, for better or for worse, been boiled down into a webapp where there is minimal potential for error.
It’s also not really fair to compare gen z to Millenials as Millennials have had nearly twice as much time to figure things out.
The way I see it, things have been filtered down to a design concept of “simplify until a toddler can figure it out” and that’s been followed by so many designs that everyone has overlooked all the drawbacks of designing in that fashion. People have become wildly content with simple apps that lack personal configuration or extended functionality because users now lack so much basic knowledge or expect crazy things to the point that if they come across any small issue they will call technical support, leave a crazed email, or complain loudly on social media long before they every actually considered solving the issue themselves or even checking online to see how others arrived at the issue. I kinda feel like I’m just rambling right now but for a long time society, at least here in the US, normalized and and removed negative connotations from the term “computer illiterate” to the point that it’s become not only the norm but the design goal.
You used to be able to find solutions to issues online, but now all you get are sites that scrape Stack Overflow and paywall it, or you get those 30 paragraph long articles that are actually 4 sentences to describe the fix.
Download driver whateverthehell.exe today to fix your issue! Free scan!
I train my company’s end users weekly and your just stating facts. People graduating college don’t have the computer skills that the 60 year old receptionist does, because she took the time to fucking learn because her job depended on it.
I’d piss on Steve Jobs’ grave if I knew where it was. And the propensity for schools to take the cheap route and use chromebooks in the classroom is the next wave.
“Apple just woooorks!” fuck off. Use on-prem enterprise accounting software, line-of-business applications or boutique software, anything in a manufacturing space and tell me how fucking well it just works.
Yes, there are 17 different packages from 25 different sources that you can Frankenstein together to make that enterprise work, but despite the bullshit that comes with it, enterprises run on windows desktop. And Sally, your word processor frankly is the same damn thing either way. You’re not that special.
iOS doesn’t even have a damn file browser. How backwards is that.
The Files app says hello.
That app is not a file browser. Hello.
What? It’s a file browser. You know, open, copy, move, delete, share etc.
It’s not a very good one, I’ll agree to that.
Your hot take is really just facts.
Definitely agree
I thought gen z was already adults and this is some kind of new wave of kids that didn’t get social skills because of the pandemic.