• SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
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    None of these commie-subtypes mean anything lmao

    They are all fascists who pretend social democracy doesnt exist

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      Communists are very aware that social democracy exists. Social democracy very famously split out of socialist thought. Originally social democracy was another term for socialism.

      Communists take issue with the very real fact that social democracy preserves capitalism and thus the exploitation that comes with it. Social democracy simply exports that exploitation. Without the subjugation of the global south, social democracy could not exist. Just because you have exported that exploitation doesn’t mean it went away.

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        The actual academic take on this is that capitalistic forces are inevitable in the presence of scarcity. We’ve already proven pretty conclusively that mass murder also doesn’t end capitalism, and social democracy has arguably gotten much closer and is far more sustainable.

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          Capitalist forces absolutely are not inevitable with scarcity. Native Americans lived in societies that have been described as primitive communism. Did they not have scarcity?

          Further, mass murder is not a prerequisite for communism.

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        Communists are very aware that social democracy exists.

        Never said they weren’t. Said they pretended it doesn’t exist since SocDem provably fixes everything they claim communism does, but it just isn’t fascist enough for them.

        Without the subjugation of the global south, social democracy could not exist.

        Where we’re going we don’t need to cite our sources! Though admittedly this is better than the one guy who told me social democracy exists because USA spends money on their military. Dude was just as clueless as you’d think a communist is haha fucking funny lads you fascists.

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          Social democracy does not fix every problem communism claims to because it preserves capitalism. Social democracy, but without capitalism is no longer social democracy. That is socialism. Believe it or not, communists are pro-socialism.

          All of the Scandinavian social democracies that are supposedly the gold standard are former colonial powers. Colonial powers extract wealth from their colonies to the detriment of the indigenous inhabitants of the colony. This is referred to as primitive accumulation and is a direct precursor to capitalism. These nations built their wealth through colonialism and continue to maintain wealth through neocolonialism. This is really only unheard of or controversial if you have your head in the ground. Look up the WTO and the IMF and how they fuck over the global south at the benefit of wealthy nations if you’re interested in more information (spoilers: you’re not)

          Where are your sources that all communists are fascists? Are the communists in the Philippines fighting their fascist government also fascists? What about in India? The list goes on. You’ll find that neither of these groups of communists are particularly fond of China by the way.

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            All of the Scandinavian social democracies that are supposedly the gold standard are former colonial powers.

            Dude read too much into finno-korean hyperwar.

            Look up the WTO and the IMF and how they fuck over the global south

            Bailing out countries that fuck themselves over with communist policies is now fault of the helper. Alright next time the west should just let them starve :)

            Where are your sources that all communists are fascists?

            Reality. It’s this weird fringe thing you’ve delusioned yourself out of

            Are the communists in the Philippines fighting their fascist government also fascists?

            Yep

            What about in India?

            Yepparino

            neither of these groups of communists are particularly fond of China by the way.

            Lmao communists aren’t fond of other type of communists, what a revelation. My country of Finland has at least 5 different communist parties, each with like 10 total members and they hate each other more than they hate the ruling pro-NATO parties.

            God I live for redfash attempts at argumentation, the nazi ones get really stale after a while.

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              You really are not as informed on communist thought as you think you are. Nor are you very informed on the very real problems with the IMF or WTO saying that these organizations save countries from “communist policies” is so hysterically wrong that I can’t believe it’s an actual thought that someone had. This discussion clearly isn’t going anywhere because it’s like I’m talking to a brick wall. Have a nice life.