They were heavily involved into establishing DRM in the video gaming world.
They were among the first to establish “FreeToPlay”, Lootboxes and whaling, a predatory business tactic.
They accepted right wing extremist games in the past.
They have a kind of monopolist web store for PC games.
They are known to use the embrace and suffocate tactic against community projects in the past (DotA, once a community driven project is now a trademark of Valve).
The linux gaming scene is flourishing, but this comes at the price of dependency. And not all this dependencies can be resolved at the will of the community; many of the users that came over in the last time are probably unable to start a binary without help.
I think you have a lot of valid arguments for why Valve isn’t a pure champion for all things good. But, that also wasn’t the question.
I’ve used proton more often than not with games purchased through GoG. Their contributions to wine and the layer on top is excellent. Sam Latinga is a Valve employee and creator of libSDL, which is also another significant and foundational contribution to FOSS.
A company can do a lot of good without having to be exclusively good. And as for Linux gaming, it wouldn’t be where it is without Valve.
Agreed, they aren’t a perfect company but a Trojan horse metaphor just doesn’t fit here, closest I could think of is that steam is closed source, but proton isn’t, and they also fund a TON of open source programs, including wine
I think the comment is meant to claim that while they contribute to these open source projects, the end goal is the ability to control those new arms of the emerging market to an extent. Kind of like what’s happened with steam where it’s been around for so long , has such a large community and quantity of content, that any similar platform that comes along is going to be at a serious disadvantage. Even large scale companies don’t even know how to compete with steam properly so far.
If the same thing happens to the Linux community within the next 10 years or so due to valves contributions. That could be not necessarily bad, but a serious change to the Linux culture. Open source culture could take a hit. Gabe won’t live forever, and he has a unique understanding of " you don’t fuck with the open source community, you work with them ". Once he’s gone, whoever takes over could take advantage of their foothold in the open source community, or at least try to. That would probably be bad.
I’ve used proton more often than not with games purchased through GoG. Their contributions to wine and the layer on top is excellent. Sam Latinga is a Valve employee and creator of libSDL, which is also another significant and foundational contribution to FOSS.
Wine and SDL were around before Valve was involved. It is unclear if and how good they can prevail if Valve decides that they aren’t interested anymore. Structures that are lost might be hard to regenerate.
And as for Linux gaming, it wouldn’t be where it is without Valve.
Half on the way to a glorified console for most of its users? The Linux gaming scene is now a reduced mirror of the gaming scene for Windows and the consoles; imo it was to be more interesting before. There was a higher and more vocal interest in smaller and more experimental productions. Nowadays it is the same as everywhere else.
A company can do a lot of good without having to be exclusively good.
Companies do profit, not good.
The Linux Gaming scene was once quite sensitive to privacy, self control, and independence. Lemmy is a dedicated left site. But some of the folks here are cheerleading to a monopolist corp like there is no tomorrow. I’m from Germany - if I hear people worrying about what will happen when the benevolent dictator dies (see above in this thread) I get the creeps.
Its a Private Company which is not focused to gain Profit because Investors push to. That is true for literally every other company that has Investors.
Valve has a Money Machine and mostly don’t care for the next big Profit. They create creative things and behave human in my Opinion.
As I already said, Valve has a history of unethical and predatory business tactics. Do you suppose they do these for fun? (and would this improve things in your opinion?)
Private companies are market participants and have to act in their interest, or go eventually down. Valve wants to make revenue with their investments. The Linux community is at best a vehicle, and at worst a target to them.
Valve is a capitalist company, aiming for profit.
They were heavily involved into establishing DRM in the video gaming world.
They were among the first to establish “FreeToPlay”, Lootboxes and whaling, a predatory business tactic.
They accepted right wing extremist games in the past.
They have a kind of monopolist web store for PC games.
They are known to use the embrace and suffocate tactic against community projects in the past (DotA, once a community driven project is now a trademark of Valve).
The linux gaming scene is flourishing, but this comes at the price of dependency. And not all this dependencies can be resolved at the will of the community; many of the users that came over in the last time are probably unable to start a binary without help.
I think you have a lot of valid arguments for why Valve isn’t a pure champion for all things good. But, that also wasn’t the question.
I’ve used proton more often than not with games purchased through GoG. Their contributions to wine and the layer on top is excellent. Sam Latinga is a Valve employee and creator of libSDL, which is also another significant and foundational contribution to FOSS.
A company can do a lot of good without having to be exclusively good. And as for Linux gaming, it wouldn’t be where it is without Valve.
Agreed, they aren’t a perfect company but a Trojan horse metaphor just doesn’t fit here, closest I could think of is that steam is closed source, but proton isn’t, and they also fund a TON of open source programs, including wine
I think the comment is meant to claim that while they contribute to these open source projects, the end goal is the ability to control those new arms of the emerging market to an extent. Kind of like what’s happened with steam where it’s been around for so long , has such a large community and quantity of content, that any similar platform that comes along is going to be at a serious disadvantage. Even large scale companies don’t even know how to compete with steam properly so far.
If the same thing happens to the Linux community within the next 10 years or so due to valves contributions. That could be not necessarily bad, but a serious change to the Linux culture. Open source culture could take a hit. Gabe won’t live forever, and he has a unique understanding of " you don’t fuck with the open source community, you work with them ". Once he’s gone, whoever takes over could take advantage of their foothold in the open source community, or at least try to. That would probably be bad.
Wine and SDL were around before Valve was involved. It is unclear if and how good they can prevail if Valve decides that they aren’t interested anymore. Structures that are lost might be hard to regenerate.
Half on the way to a glorified console for most of its users? The Linux gaming scene is now a reduced mirror of the gaming scene for Windows and the consoles; imo it was to be more interesting before. There was a higher and more vocal interest in smaller and more experimental productions. Nowadays it is the same as everywhere else.
Companies do profit, not good. The Linux Gaming scene was once quite sensitive to privacy, self control, and independence. Lemmy is a dedicated left site. But some of the folks here are cheerleading to a monopolist corp like there is no tomorrow. I’m from Germany - if I hear people worrying about what will happen when the benevolent dictator dies (see above in this thread) I get the creeps.
Its a Private Company which is not focused to gain Profit because Investors push to. That is true for literally every other company that has Investors.
Valve has a Money Machine and mostly don’t care for the next big Profit. They create creative things and behave human in my Opinion.
MARS is also a private company and has a section for child and slave labor on the Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars,_Incorporated#Child_labor_and_slave_labor
ZF is a private company and produces weapons.
As I already said, Valve has a history of unethical and predatory business tactics. Do you suppose they do these for fun? (and would this improve things in your opinion?)
Private companies are market participants and have to act in their interest, or go eventually down. Valve wants to make revenue with their investments. The Linux community is at best a vehicle, and at worst a target to them.
Good points tbh