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  • qnick@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Genuine question to all Palestinian sympathizers: don’t you see how you encourage Hamas to bring even more kids to the active war zone with your comments and protests?

    • fishos@lemmy.world
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      It’s more like “hey, that neighborhood full of families and shopkeepers has some gang members in it. Let’s bomb it all.” Hamas isn’t “bringing in kids”. They’re resistance fighters who live in the same area, which is roughly the size of Los Angeles. And in the minds of Hamas, they’re fighting for those children to have a right to that land in their future. To have a right to grow up free and unoppressed. Those children aren’t “shields” and they weren’t brought there. They were born there and are now being indiscriminately bombed as an excuse to make Hamas look bad. Where’s Mossad? Where’s Israeli special forces? Israel likes to talk a big game about their abilities, but in this conflict, “rain missiles from the sky and blame the victims for being in the way” seems to be their only tool.

      You realize Israel even bombed evacuation routes, right? Told people “it’s safe to leave this way” and then bombed the caravans leaving. You can’t even leave without getting bombed, and you think they’re just importing children in?

      What are you smoking? I want some.

      • qnick@lemmy.world
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        In this video by channel 4, they briefly mentioned the story of a wounded boy, who got the permission to get through the Rafah crossing. His Palestinian father didn’t let him go, because the father himself didn’t get such permission. This is how they care about their children.

        • medgremlin@lemmy.sdf.org
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          If the child did go through alone, what are the chances that family would ever see him again? Who would care for the child and advocate for his best interests away from his family? All communications have been shut down by Israel. There is no way for the family to know what happens to their children if they are taken away.

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            To me, as a father of two, there’s no moral dilemma here. You get your kids out of the hell no matter what.

            But I guess when you have 14 kids, the priorities are a bit different.

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              Would you get your kid out if you didn’t know whether or not they would be adequately cared for? Would you get them out if it meant that you will probably never see them again and that they will be taken to another country speaking another language with no one there to look after them and no plan for how to take care of them after the medical treatment is done?

              This would most likely be a permanent separation and the child would effectively, or maybe even literally become an orphan in a foreign country with nothing. Not their vital documents, not their family, not anything that would give them any hope of ever getting home. Getting your kid out in this situation means gambling your child’s life on the good will of strangers and most likely losing them for good.

              It is not unreasonable to demand to go with his child. Especially since he needs medical care as well.

        • Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
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          You must feel very good about yourself blaming civilians for being murdered by Israelis. Zionist prick.

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            1 year ago

            I blame Hamas, and Hamas only.

            According to felony-murder rule all responsibility for civilian casualties lays on Hamas. This rule might seem unfair to some, but in US it is used widely.

    • grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org
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      1 year ago

      Are you suggesting that

      • that Hamas is importing kids from outside of Gaza into Gaza, or
      • There’s parts of Gaza that aren’t an active war zone that Gazan children can be brought from ?
      • DoomBot5@lemmy.world
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        No, that’s your imagination at work. What they’re saying is that Hamas makes sure there are at least 10 children in close vicinity to and leadership to use as shields.

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      You’re conflating Palestine, and Hamas. Which is a disservice to the civilians of the Palestine territories.

      You’re also making the assumption that the children are not currently in an active war zone, when the entire Gaza strip is a war zone.

      Asking people to die quietly in a corner and not make too much of a fuss isn’t feasible, and it’s unfair to their humanity.

      • qnick@lemmy.world
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        South of Gaza is slightly safer than North. The people who stayed in the North either made a conscious choice to protect Hamas with their bodies, or were forced to stay.

        I don’t ask people to die quietly, I think people must demand a humanitarian corridor to Egypt or another safe place.

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      Don’t you see how your knee jerk defense of anything Israel does as encouraging them to do war crimes?

      I swear, you lot would defend nukes if there was a 50/50 shot of getting a child of a hamas member.

    • Siegfried@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Genuine question: do you actually think that anything that happens in this obscure part of the internet has any repercussion whatsoever in the real world?

      • qnick@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        Whatever happens in any part of the internet involves people, and people are part of the real world. So yes, it does influence the real world.