• SCB@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    This is not collective punishment lol.

    Words have actual meanings

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      1 year ago

      Yes they do:

      Collective punishment is a punishment or sanction imposed on a group for acts allegedly perpetrated by a member of that group, which could be an ethnic or political group, or just the family, friends and neighbors of the perpetrator.

      So when Israel cuts off water and food to 2.2 million people because an extremist org that is a minority of the population attacks them, how is that NOT collective punishment? When they callously bomb hundreds of women and children, including hostages, to get to a handful of actual fighters, how is THAT not collective punishment? When they bomb bakeries and hospitals and refugee camps, how is that not collectively punishing them? When they restrict their freedom of movement so they’re stuck in the equivalent of an open air prison? When they snipe journalists giving unfavorable coverage, children at a protest, and go in to brutalize religious practitioners in their place of worship?

      I hope that you can learn from your own advice.

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        1 year ago

        So when Israel cuts off water and food to 2.2 million people because an extremist org that is a minority of the population attacks them

        Hamas is literally the government of Gaza. Thus, Israel turned off its own power that it supplies to the foreign government that attacked them. This is not collective punishment.

        When they restrict their freedom of movement so they’re stuck in the equivalent of an open air prison?

        Israel didnt close Gaza’s other borders. Their neighbors closed their own borders after terrorist attacks and coups. Egypt didn’t even wanna provide aid to Gazans - Israel and the US had to beg them to.

        When they bomb bakeries and hospitals and refugee camps, how is that not collectively punishing them?

        What was a refugee camp in 1960 is now a city, and it’s still just referred to as a refugee camp. It’s not an actual refugee camp.

        Again, this is not a debate. These things are not debatable. These are just actual facts that you have backwards.

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          1 year ago

          All these equivocations and just like last time you avoid the actual point. Which is that Israel is inflicting collective punishment on Palestinians, a literal flagrant war crime.

          What I described is collective punishment, something you denied was happening. So stop being a coward and say you support it instead of making excuses for why it’s not that bad/justified.

          You think that because Hamas exists the lives of everyone in their vicinity is forfeit. You have a ghoulish perspective.

          It’s also very clear we will never see eye to eye on this so I’m not going to bother continuing this.

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            1 year ago

            I can even literally spell out reality for you and you’ll reject it lol