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So that’s why they were so certain of the bunker’s existence. 😅
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Literally not talking about the tunnels and bunkers shown recently which are built in Hamas style developed over the last 15 or so years.
The shafts and tunnels are built in a certain style with parts made in gaza. This is all visible.
“hamas style” is that like art Deco? Maybe art Nuevo?
You mean the place the hospital is located and constructed? Weird things in Gaza would be built in Gaza.
Hamas-chic
They use a specific type of cement piece construction they developed over time to let them build tunnels quickly for cheap. It’s been documented historically and proudly by Hamas.
So a “technique” that would be easy and cheap to replicate rapidly. Is it not then suspicious it’s been quite some time between raid and any amount of investigation?
Ah, glad we have an expert in primitive construction and not just that but one who’s seen these tunnels in person. What’s your name again so we can verify your conclusion?
Literally go watch the videos of journalists in the tunnels. Nothing will change your mind.
https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/b1xzpxbnt history of the tunnels
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_tunnel_warfare_in_the_Gaza_Strip
https://youtu.be/E7SwJtYW86U?si=TbxPd_CGqO4ahpp0
Literally go watch the footage.
https://youtu.be/W4gDfSNMRx4?si=vVvN7609vuYHRkuu
It’s easy and cheap using smuggled concrete not doable in days with functional air conditioning systems.
https://youtu.be/a_n8qj8ycok?si=4uWZsaddS5KQGRxX
https://youtu.be/WUBxjB2NFMU?si=CGNkZJ0zwEDnZZh_
It takes time to disarm a possibly booby trapped tunnel and avoid potentially collapsing the buildings with civilians on top. It takes time to do an investigation of a crime scene.
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Yes, isreali approved releases of ungeolocated video by approved journalists, not investigators.
We knew there were bunkers under all shifa, we knew there were tunnels under al shifa, we know both of these things because Israel used them when they controlled the hospital. What we don’t have is a. Proof hamas made them, b. That is used offensively c. That there was any use prior to Israel breaking a wall down to gain access to tunnels and bunkers they admit they built.
Ditto bud, your own sources say they do not look recently used.
Also the proof is that hamas made them in their own style, far away from the Israeli built Bunker and on lower levels.
They’re own style, you mean the Roman Arch and a fucking wall? Who could have thought of that aside from ww1 trenches, WW2 trenches, isreali trenches or I dunno literally anyone past like 1000bc.
Literally nothing with change your delusions in reality. So I’m going to stop bothering.
It’s delusional to want evidence from experts who are actually there, not from journalists who have a perverse incentive to release only what Israel allows.
Wait for things to actually be investigated before calling it proof. It’s absurd to take sides during a war with evidence that’s solely controlled by one party and supported only by their allies.
Wait, see. Don’t trust the people who have a track record of lying about the same shit they’re talking about now and that goes equally to Hamas as it does to Israel.
But you know, logic huh? Why bother, who needs that. We all know the scientific method is “trust Ted, it benefits him more than anyone but why would ted lie?”
They are used recently but have had weeks to clear out, as stated
It doesn’t say that at all, the best consensus of your sources is that they do not look recently used.
It’s been geolocated. Try again.
Quad replies, ooo touched as nerve huh. Also no they haven’t.
Made of a garbonzo bean based cement?
Terrorism just got delicious.
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Did Israel build the one they based their attack around?
No, quite literally. It’s been known Hamas does this shit for 10 years. More than a few prisoners reported it in interrogations.
Once the geolocated shafts were shown on video and by reporters it became glaringly apparent Israel didn’t build those. The weird misinformation around the Bunker they did build is some weird delusions.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have targeted Gaza’s biggest medical facility which it said was the site of a Hamas command center, a charge denied by the group.
Amid widespread condemnation about Israel’s targeting of the hospital, CNN anchor Christiane Amanpour asked Barak if the IDF and the Israeli government had done a “good enough job of proving their claim” that there was a “major” Hamas command center and bunker under Shifa.
Barak replied “It’s already been known for many years that they have a bunker that originally was built by Israeli constructors underneath Shifa,” which was used as a “command post” for Hamas and as a “junction of several tunnels”
BBC Verify said that the Israeli footage appeared to have been recorded before reporters arrived and that the earlier clip showed fewer weapons which the IDF later explained was because more weaponry had been found later in the day.
BBC analysis editor Ros Atkins on November 17 said the IDF video was posted, then deleted, and reposted again, with references to an Israeli soldier held hostage removed.
“We don’t know the reasons for that edit, nor how significant it is,” Atkins said in the video which as of Tuesday had received 12.4 million views, adding that Israel’s military “says suggestions it is manipulating the media are incorrect.”
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