Pope Francis has urged Vatican bureaucrats to avoid “rigid ideological positions” that prevent them from understanding today’s reality

Pope Francis urged Vatican bureaucrats Thursday to avoid “rigid ideological positions” that prevent them from understanding today’s reality, an appeal made days after he formally allowed priests to bless same-sex couples in a radical change of Vatican policy.

Francis used his annual Christmas greeting to the Holy See hierarchy to encourage the cardinals, bishops and laypeople who run the Vatican to listen to one another and to others so they can evolve to truly offer service to the Catholic Church.

Speaking in the Hall of Blessings, Francis told them it was important to keep advancing and growing in their understanding of the truth. Fearfully sticking to rules may give the appearance of avoiding problems but only ends up hurting the service that the Vatican Curia is called to give the church, he said.

“Let us remain vigilant against rigid ideological positions that often, under the guise of good intentions, separate us from reality and prevent us from moving forward,"the pope said. "We are called instead to set out and journey, like the Magi, following the light that always desires to lead us on, at times along unexplored paths and new roads.”

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    Pope Francis says to avoid Rigid Ideologies?

    So, pope Francis says to avoid the Catholicism.

    In the name of the father, the son, and the holy Spirit. Amen.

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      It’s not gay if it’s a young boy duh! /s

      This is actually a huge issue though on accepting the LGBTQ+ community at large and getting them in at least here in the United States. A lot of other religions have started to and I have gay and trans friends that go to these churches because they accept them for who they are and don’t try to shame them or try to change them

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      Church always has at least one extremely obviously gay dude serving. My interpretation of that stereotype is that usually that gay dude has the fear of god and his daddies belt instilled into them. Not a cute look. This usually prevents dates from being in public and reduces the whole situation into hidden meetings and idk, I wish them the best and to eventually see out of the church.

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    “Let us remain vigilant against rigid ideological positions that often, under the guise of good intentions, separate us from reality and prevent us from moving forward"

    Never expected pope to diss christianity.

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      (Former christian) this whole Pope business has been sooo interesting. And I mean it in a non-ironic way.

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      Former Christian here… I’ll give the religion credit it allows for a lot of openness and exactly what the pope is talking about. The main icon of Christianity was all about accepting people, legit the time where Jesus got angry with whips and table flipping was because money changers and vendors were cheating the poor (long story: You had pilgrims that would come bringing currency that would not be accepted by the temple so the money changers would do exactly what was on the tin… for a fee, and then the temple was selling animals to be sacrificed, the doves being brought up specifically because they were sold to the poorest that couldn’t afford the bigger sacrifices.) This is the idealogical head of the religion who is said to have sat and dined with those considered sinners while shunning the so called “faithful”

      Honestly even as parable the stories in the bible are perfect reflections of the way most Christians would react. It’s said regularly that the Christians would kill Jesus as a heretic if he came back… ignoring the fact that it was those that had power within the church that crucified Jesus in the Bible.

      I got lucky in being raised to go to a church with a preacher that was big on critical thinking. Another fitting example of Christianity ignoring its own teachings, post 9/11 said preacher gave a sermon talking about a religious extremist with a middle eastern background that spoke out against the prevailing government at the time, explaining that was exactly who Jesus was, the sermon on not hating from statements just made by assumptions, had the magazine that on the cover that had the ‘real face of Jesus’ to show not your white long haired man but the middle eastern face as a part of the sermon… naturally said preacher was politely “let go” from the church.

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    Are we gonna end up with an anti-pope?

    I really don’t know, I just know the term and it sounds cool.

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      Honestly it’s possible. Certain diocese of the church (looking at you USA) have become far more conservative as the rest of the Church has passed them by. Vatican 2 has fully taken hold, and I really don’t believe the conservatives hold enough power in Rome to elect one of their own when Francis passes.

      They very well might just take their ball and go home like the “Old Catholics” did after the reforms of the First Vatican Council.

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      I mean, there are already plenty, for example, Peter III, who leads a Spanish church that believes they are the rightful Church. (Also, antipope is a subjective word, like heretic. From the perspective of various sects, the Pope Francis is the antipope.)

      Nothing stops you from calling yourself Pope and claiming you’re the rightful leader of the Church, hereby making you an antipope to the eyes of the Church.

      Now is there going to be a relevant antipope, that’s a lot less likely.

      The relevancy of antipopes hinged on the political power of the pope. Having the pope at your beck and call was an extremely powerful tool in the Middle Ages. But nowadays, between the secularization of most Catholic countries, and the massive loss of influence of the Catholic Church, an antipope would only have as much influence as his followers would give him, especially since they wouldn’t have the support of the Holy See or the Church.

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        (Also, antipope is a subjective word, like heretic. From the perspective of various sects, the Pope Francis is the antipope.)

        I thought the Church claimed an unbroken line of popes going back to the apostle Peter.

        Wouldn’t any competitor only have a legitimate claim if they named their first pope during the brief downtime between popes? Otherwise they’re just another protestant sect.

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          Some did (the Spanish church from the example I gave named their first pope after the death of Paul VI in 1976), but nothing stops you from having your own conclave of bishops, and have them say that the current Pope has been judged inept to rule (although that has never happened before in the Holy See).

          Which would make the line unbroken, the same way that the line was still unbroken when Benedict XVI resigned and Francis was elected pope.

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      Found the priest. Just make sure that break of celibacy isn’t with the altar boy, you lil scamp!

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      Isn’t having gay sex still considered a sin in Catholicism? I thought those blessings didn’t count as a marriage and having sex while not being married was a thing that constituted as a sin as well?

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        The story of lot is actually incorrectly translated. It meant to say something along the lines of “the city was so rotten that the townspeople would sell their boys into sex slavery”

        The evil is selling your kids. To gross people. That mean harm.

        People took that as, they were gay so god drowned them in molten salt.

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    lol. His entire life is dogma; his position, home, city, and organization are a rigid and non critical exercise.

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    Watch christians and catholics ignore everything this bullshit artist says. The pope has minimal control, refuses to use it, and reigns over one of the largest religious hate groups on the planet.

    Their entire religion is a 'rigid ideological position". How the fuck are people in that religion supposed to ignore those when the entire religion is one? Just more stupid contradictory illogic that doesn’t mean a thing.

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      Watch christians and catholics ignore everything this bullshit artist says.

      Just going to point out Catholics are the only ones who give a damn about the pope. Protestansts view it as idol worshiping, kinda the whole point of Protestantism.

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      “Just more stupid contradictory illogic that doesn’t mean a thing.”

      I mean… the topic is religion. What else were you going to get?

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    Seems a little too late to try and pivot and get young parishioners back. They gone, people don’t go back to their old religion.

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    This isn’t an actual step forward, just a ploy to keep religion going for as long as possible.

    It’s obviously all a lie, they just keep softening their policies to stay relevant in modern times. Imagine if they stuck to their old believes from a few hundred years ago or actually followed the bible, they’d become irrelevant in just one generation.

    So instead they adapt to keep their power.