The Privacy Iceberg

This is original content. AI was not used anywhere except for the bottom right image, simply because I could not find one similar enough to what I needed. This took around 6 hours to make.

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(I tried my best)

The background is an iceberg with 6 levels, denoting 6 different levels of privacy.

The tip of the iceberg is titled “The Brainwashed” with a quote beside it that says “I have nothing to hide”. The logos depicted in this section are:

The surface section of the iceberg is titled “As seen on TV” with a quote beside it that says “This video is sponsored by…”. The logos depicted in this section are:

An underwater section of the iceberg is titled “The Beginner” with a quote beside it that says “I don’t like hackers and spying”. The logos depicted in this section are:

A lower section of the iceberg is titled “The Privacy Enthusiast” with a quote beside it that says “I have nothing I want to show”. The logos depicted in this section are:

An even lower section of the iceberg is titled “The Privacy Activist” with a quote beside it that says “Privacy is a human right”. The logos depicted in this section are:

The lowest portion of the iceberg is titled “The Ghost”. There is a quote beside it that has been intentionally redacted. The images depicted in this section are:

  • A cancel sign over a mobile phone, symbolizing “no electronics”
  • An illustration of a log cabin, symbolizing “living in a log cabin in the woods”
  • A picture of gold bars, symbolizing “paying only in gold”
  • A picture of a death certificate, symbolizing “faking your own death”
  • An AI generated picture of a person wearing a black hoodie, a baseball cap, a face mask, and reflective sunglasses, symbolizing “hiding ones identity in public”

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  • LandedGentry@lemmy.zip
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    23 hours ago

    if you take your own bias out of the equation

    What you call “bias” I call “not buying in to a phenomenal waste of time and resources built on the dreams of bagholders and fascist crypto bros.” Crypto will never be a mainstream currency. You have to convert to your fiat of choice at some point for the vast majority of purchases. This has been the case for the ~15 years since Bitcoin first launched and it isn’t changing any time soon.

    I’m biased against Facebook. You gonna hold that against me too?

    • misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      23 hours ago

      Monero doesn’t need to be mainstream, it’s immediately useful for privacy. Its price could dump 99% and it would be equally useful. You buy some, make your transaction, enjoy your anonymity and then forget about it. It’s a tool, not an investment.

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        23 hours ago

        make your transaction

        How? Can you pay rent? Buy groceries? Pay for a cab? Buy a vehicle? Purchase a game on Steam? That’s what I mean by mainstream. It needs to be accepted as currency to be useful.

        How many of your last 100 purchases do you think you did with Monero without ever converting to fiat?

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          It needs to be accepted as currency to be useful.

          My friend uses it to anonymously buy servers. Their country has a history of killing political activists so they take their privacy seriously when it comes to that kind of thing.

          I would say Monero was useful to them, at that time. It didn’t have to be mainstream to be useful. They weren’t investing in it. It allowed them to make an international transaction which is much harder to track than other accepted payment methods.

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          23 hours ago

          You can exchange it to another accepted crypto, or convert to fiat depending on what you’re trying to do. If you differ the exact amounts you buy and use, and delay the timing of your monero purchase and final purchase, it gives you anonimity. Or more like plausible deniability. Nobody said anonymity was convenient. You also don’t need every purchase to be anonymous for it to be useful.

          When you do most of those purchases you’re not anonymous to begin. But if you want to buy an embarrassing pornographic game on Steam and don’t want your payment provider to have “FURRYDICKS STUDIO” in your name, you sure can use Monero.

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            23 hours ago

            you can exchange it to another accepted crypto, or convert to fiat depending on what you’re trying to do.

            Therefore adding a step for no reason and invalidating the entire reason for using it.

            If you differ the exact amounts you buy and use, and delay the timing of your monero purchase and final purchase, it gives you anonimty. Or more like plausible deniability.

            That doesn’t make any sense. The information is at the point of sale, which you just said is often not even done with monero itself, thus invaliding the entire reason for using it.

            When you do most of those purchases you’re not anonymous to begin.

            Then how does monero solve the issue at all? What privacy are you gaining if you’re literally admitting that you can’t get around the PoS issue?

            But if you want to buy an embarrassing pornographic game on Steam and don’t want your payment provider to have “FURRYDICKS STUDIO” in your name, you sure can use Monero.

            No, you can’t, because you can’t buy it anonymously with Monero.

            Again: How many of your last 100 purchases were made directly with monero? Just ballpark, I’m sure you have a sense.

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              21 hours ago

              I think this is simply a privacy education issue. Here’s how to anonymously buy a steam game, step by step:

              1. On an insecure computer, buy Bitcoin or other with your credit card
              2. Exchange Bitcoin for monero on an exchange website
              3. Send Monero to your private wallet
              4. Now on your very secure computer, create a Steam account using an anonymous email, all through VPN/Tor
              5. Create a Bitcoin or other wallet
              6. Access your monero on this computer and exchange it for Bitcoin or other, sent to your wallet
              7. Use Bitcoin or other to exchange to Fiat, Bitrefill looks like an option
              8. Purchase Steam game

              If your secure computer is totally anonymous, so is your purchase.

              Of my last 1 million purchases, exactly zero were done this way. The currency is not worth zero so obviously it’s useful to some. “I don’t personally use it” is an unconvincing argument, you simply don’t care about private purchases which is totally ok.

              If you were a progressive reporter in Saudi Arabia buying a web subscription to New York Times you would probably keep a balance of monero around, so these steps would take no time at all.

              For the rest of us with nothing to hide, some of us use Monero like this simply to protect those who do need privacy. The more who use it, the better anonymity it provides.

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                21 hours ago

                I would like you to point out where I said “I don’t use it so it isn’t useful for anyone else.”

                I do care about private purchases. Monero is not a viable option as a daily driver in the slightest. That’s the point, don’t make my argument/position something it is not. Point out where I even hinted I don’t care about that.

                I’m pointing out flaws in this “solution.” I am not advocating against privacy. That’s a ridiculous take.

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                  “Again: How many of your last 100 purchases were made directly with monero? Just ballpark, I’m sure you have a sense.”. A reasonable interpretation of this is, “you don’t use it, so no one should”.

                  Apparently millions of people find it useful. If you don’t that’s totally ok.

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                    That is not a reasonable interpretation at all. I am asking you, somebody who is advocating for Monero, how much you actually use it. To demonstrate its utility. A request that you have repeatedly refused to respond to until now as you attempt to mischaracterize my points.

                    I get it. You like Monero. But you’ve got blinders on. Just because somebody disagrees with you doesn’t mean they’re a Luddite or don’t care about privacy. I care about privacy deeply, I am a passionate advocate. I’m saying Monero is not what you think it is.

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      Do you think credit cards are ideal? People happily pay a 4% fee to Visa to buy something at the store, yet you think a spot convert is going to be the death knell?

      As well as the deflation of their currency, as the currency increases at around 10% a year, as you’re praying that a CPI that does hedonic adjustments and substitutions maintains your standard of living; as we go from free range to factory farms, and housing appreciation is excluded entirety.

      Maybe it wont be bitcoin, maybe it will be fractional shares, or spot convert gold, but I am definitely waiting for the day when I can hold 0$ in cash. I’m already near 0, but I’d like to replace it entirely.

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          You want just a fatty wad of cash, and for tellers to sit there counting change or what?

          Or maybe a CBDC, so they can inflate it even more, giving out your purchasing power like like its a political football?

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            I don’t understand why we even going down this path. I am not advocating for the current financial structure/means of paying for things. I’m not advocating for any particular way of paying for things when you get down to it. I am critiquing this method. I am saying Monero is not capable of doing what it’s supposed to do. If I can’t make regular purchases with it - even just for a quarter of the things in my life - Then it’s functionally useless. if I have to convert it back to the very means I am trying to escape, all I’ve done is added an extra step.

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              Well its still early days, Biden was very against Crypto, so point of sales systems couldnt provide it. Companies like Square are now working on it, so you will be able to use it; or any form of cash you want, or fractional shares and gold etf.

              Maybe all currencies will just be forced to compete on inflation one day, and everyone will use the one with the lowest annual growth in new supply.