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  • I agree with the reasoning, that with “vegan ethics” as at the basis, easier to argue for other basic (human) rights and non-violence. If anyone deserves to live free of harm, then there’s less debate for racism, etc. You are right that non-veganism is hypocritical of leftists. I do comment on comrades’ lack of integrity. The same applies regarding queer-friendliness.

    But how are you drawing the conclusion, that veganism should be at the epicenter? How would that be achieved? Isn’t it also hypocritical for vegans to not be activists for a broader spectrum of left political topics? Veganism definitely does attach to many topics, but it would be a bad center for them. How would a critique of media or militarism be stronger from a vegan-centric position?

    In veganism, our perspective is from a position of power (to abuse animals), which we’re individually not boycotting. We are arguing that other people should voluntarily join us, or we’re trying to make veganism more accessible. However, many other super important left topics are from quite the opposite perspective: we are the oppressed, trying to take down the oppressors. We can’t just “argue with other oppressors”. We can’t just sit down with a cup of warm oat milk and say “oppression is immoral, please stop”. We need to get up and actively fight it, and I haven’t seen “vegan-centric approaches” that would be advantageous here.

    It’s one struggle, one fight. Joining forces across the left spectrum is one of the most powerful things we can do, and I’d love to see us fighting jointly. It’s also what out adversaries fear the most! The FBI killed MLK and Black Panther Party leaders after they and their peers brought together distinct groups. But it seems uninformed to consider veganism as the epicenter. The epicenter should be a framework to understand, organize and lead the struggle. I’d rather have strong core values from which veganism concludes, than a center from which other struggles are merely touched upon but not actually addressed.

    Hope to see a constructive discussion 😀



  • It helps me to consider that many people have a lot of stuff going on in their lives, things that worry them, as well as things that are taxing on them (work, physical and mental health issues, care work, finances, etc). We all have to manage the resources we have, including attention. Going vegan requires quite some thought, some getting use to, some effort to break out of the habit. It requires mental effort to reconsider common prejudice and misconceptions, and it often leads to facing one’s own cognitive dissonance (meaning: if we ate animals or whole life and we now consider that to be wrong, we have to face having done wrong our whole previous life; addressing this dissonance can be mentally painful).

    Personally I’d rather nudge people, than to appear as if forcing them. I like some low barrier offers, like bringing muffins or inviting them for dinner. It depends on how thoughtful and open minded the person is, many will just push back when feeling pressured. I remember that I didn’t go vegan overnight either.

    Are you organized and do outreach work? Are you sad about “ignorant” people in general or family/friends in particular?


  • @dessalines@lemmy.ml being as sharp as always, thank you for sharing this! I somehow missed that essay in the past, and recently even had a discussion where I argued in favor of signal. His overview makes some great points that shouldn’t be dismissed offhandedly. The important point is to not make the mistake of shunning signal in favor of an even less secure alternative. Also the user’s threat model should be taken into account. Those who aren’t anticapitalists (yet) might need to worry less about the concerns.