i know it’s not the important part of your comment, but I must point out that indies will be fine because indies do not have publishing deals. If your studio is beholden to a publisher, then you are by definition not independent.

its only the big publishers that are going to crash, so nothing of value will be lost.

I’ve heard it described that it isn’t a disorder unless it’s negatively affecting your ability to generate profit for our corporate overlords.

they used different words, of course, but i think I’ve captured the essence of what they meant.

yeah, but between now and next time I need it I’ll have forgotten wiztree but will still remember windirstat because I’ve been using it for years.

fedora kinda sucks for people new to linux. I’ve used it a few times in the past and hated it each time.

Finally actually made the switch to linux permanently a couple years ago with mint and it’s a much nicer experience overall.

angus burger

anus burger 😋

imma leave the typo. it’s funnier that way.

for 15 bucks you can get 2 double doubles from in and out. Or a tripple from whataburger. Or an actually good burger from a bar with a grill.

hunger is the best seasoning.

It’s been a long time since I’ve been in a mc d’s, but when I used to frequent them it was because there weren’t other options around. I do fondly remember their anus burger as being moderately palatable to my (at the time) minimum wage worker self. I’m sure if I tried it again today I’d vomit. These days I prefer my greasy burger fix from bars, I know it will be good because they can’t stay in business with bad food.

I say “pile” but there’s only two survivors left. imma edit with an image

That reminds me, I should probably move my own pile of clippies from my desk back to the kitchen.

Since you’re being reasonable again, I’ll answer.

Perhaps “demanded” was the wrong word to use. It got the wrong point across. You did not explicitly ask for it, but rather strongly implied that you wanted the other guy’s argument to be a certain way. (your comment I am referring to is quoted below). Ultimately, you were right, as the plot has thickened over the past 2 hours. In another comment the other guy agreed with the explanation I provided, and used that to claim that proc gen and gen ai are effectively the same (a claim that I disputed in another another comment). So on this point, you win. It was I who misunderstood the other guy’s argument.

I feel like it does. theunknownmuncher thinks it’s somehow inconsistent to be against generative AI while being ok with procedural generation, which implies that they think they’re equivalent in some way. As if the reason people don’t like generative AI is because it makes bad games.

Agreed.

What am I projecting???

This is what using ChatGPT does yo your brain, it destroys your reading comprehension

Why is it that now that I am asking you to explain things, you won’t?

You’re projecting, and being an asshole

Point not proven.

There are many reasons why people in general actively dislike generative ai. Many of those reasons have to do with the creation of the ai (including environmental damage and harm to artists, and more besides), and are applicable regardless of the quality of the end product.

Furthermore, using generative ai does tend to make the end product worse, regardless of what that product is. This does not mean that it is impossible to make good shit with ai, nor does it mean that ai only makes good shit. There’s nuance to the issue that is often ignored.

Furthermore again, there is bandwagonning happening in the hate of ai. However, just begause bandwagonning is a logical fallacy, does not automatically make the arguments wrong (see the fallacy fallacy).

Furthermore the third, developers absolutely can be held at fault for using generative ai. Valve demands ai use be disclosed, they didn’t comply, ipso facto, devs are at fault. However, not all fault is equal. The example being discussed in the original post is much less egregious than most in my opinion. It’s not like they ai generated the entire game asset by asset.

I had another point but already forgot what it was so I’ll leave it at that for now.

I will concede that we have lived different experiences.

You’re projecting, and being an asshole. Pause a minute and collect yourself.

you demanded an equivalence. I gave you one. If you don’t like it then that’s a you problem.

both are used to produce more content with less effort. There’s your equivalence.

What would actually add value to the conversation is discussing why a particular criticism of one may or may not apply to the other.

I actually disagree with the original premise, and explained why in another comment.

You must be young. proc gen used to get tons of hate in the 2010 and such era, gamers complained about devs being lazy and not being willing to actually make levels/worlds/dungeons/whatever. This complaint was of course inconsistently applied.

These days people mostly just got used to it as normal. In 10 or 20 years, I’d wager the same will be true of gen ai.