It’s just a bunch of bots set up by the admin to post blogspam that literally noone is interested in. For those of us who follow /all it’s very noisy, and seems to be getting worse by the day.

Once blacklisting has been implemented this shouldn’t be a problem anymore, but would there be any objection to unlinking it until then?

  • @glennsl@lemmy.mlOP
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    73 years ago

    I mean per-user blacklisting of instances and communities. That way I can clean up /c/all on my own.

    In the meantime I ask if the instance should be linked at all as it doesn’t seem to provide any value, just noise.

    • Ravn
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      It’ll be better when more people are up voting and down voting comments. Currently the hot sorting just mostly shows new posts with few or no comments or votes.

    • Dessalines
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      53 years ago

      User / community blocking is one of our bigger future issues, but for now just use subscribed. I don’t know if we wanna make the call to ban article spam that isn’t specifically advertising. Seems like a lot could get caught up in that.

      • @glennsl@lemmy.mlOP
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        03 years ago

        So what if a lot gets caught up in that? If it’s low quality noise, what value does it provide? I would argue it provides negative value of course. Not just because of the annoying noise, it also increases the likelihood that lemmy.ml itself gets treated as spam because it looks like it’s part of a link farm (and voting doesn’t fix that either, since crawlers don’t understand votes).

        Reddit has much stricter rules than what’s practiced here. See for example their FAQ entry on what constitutes spam and guidelines on self-promotion. I’ve been compiling a list of users who would be caught up by similar rules here, who regularly post low-quality self-promotional posts, don’t contribute in any meaningful way and who have posted in the last week or so. It counts 12 users at the moment, not including the Glasgow bots which would also be caught by these rules.

        I’m on the verge of giving up on lemmy.ml altogether because of all the noise. It provides less and less value for me, and judging by your response it seems unlikely to improve in the near future. Perhaps lemmy.ml isn’t for me then, but if so that’s a choice you’ve made. You chose bots and spammers over a quality contributor.

        • Kinetix
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          43 years ago

          So, you’re suggesting that because the admin of the Glasgow site is trying to build his instance in a particular way that doesn’t meet your measure of interest, it should be ‘dealt with’? What makes you believe that it’s self-promotion?

          • @glennsl@lemmy.mlOP
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            03 years ago

            I think if something is excessively noisy and interests virtually no one it should be addressed, yes. Exactly how and whether it’s practically feasible is a different question of course, but so far I’ve heard few actual arguments against what I propose. Feel free to share yours if you have any, otherwise I’d appreciate if you don’t just try to shut down discussion.

            What makes you believe that it’s self-promotion?

            I don’t, and I didn’t specifically propose rules against self-promotion as a way to address this, but it does seem like it would fall under Reddit’s rules. And quite frankly I don’t see a problem with that.

            • Kinetix
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              I asked a couple of pointed questions, I’m not sure how it’s trying to shut down discussion. However, what I see is “I don’t like what’s going on here, it’s annoying me, somebody please do something!”, and then when you’ve been given the information on how little it actually affects everyone and how to avoid it, you want to throw your toys in the sandbox and run away.

              It seems pretty clear: a) the features you want are on the list of things to do, b) /c/all isn’t going to be the curated list of whatever you want it to be, and c) if want to curate your own Lemmy right now, you can always run your own instance. You stated your opinion. Great, move on, there’s not really any debate to be had that I can see. (Yes, that could well be viewed as trying to shut down “discussion”, as I don’t think there’s much really to be had now)

              • @glennsl@lemmy.mlOP
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                13 years ago

                What is you point then, really? If not to shut down discussion. Is your point that no question should be raised unless one is already certain that the majority is one one’s side? Or are you just here to spread bile in general?

                There are clearly people who agree, or at least invite discussion. And perhaps more who disagree. Fine. But simply counting votes fall prey to survivorship bias. Those who vote are those who “survived”. Who haven’t already left or who might have joined but didn’t. If the aim is to grow, merely going by the opinion of those already here is a dead end.

                Perhaps you should take your own advice. If you don’t like this discussion, fine, move on. Goodbye.

              • @SirLotsaLocks@lemmy.ml
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                13 years ago

                yeah I agree. I don’t entirely agree with glasgows methods but tbh I do tend to come to sites like these for updates and discussion, and having regular posts about on-topic things to my area would be really nice. this doesn’t create discussion unfortunately and thats why I personally don’t think this is 100% the way to go I do think its a valid option and there’s no reason to penalize it considering having different policies on this kind of the whole point of self hosting and federation anyways.

                • @glennsl@lemmy.mlOP
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                  While I agree for the most part, I also think the point of federation is that connecting to other instances is voluntary. And I wouldn’t call not doing so “penalizing”. Instances will have different rules, and if one instance breaks the rules of another it will probably want to not connect to it. They’re free to manage their instance how they want, and that’s great, but so are other instances.

                  In this case I just think it’s too early to have bots posting lots of very niche content, and a disconnect should just have been temporary. Fortunately it was resolved by just turning off most of the bots instead, which I think is probably better for everyone.