It’s just a bunch of bots set up by the admin to post blogspam that literally noone is interested in. For those of us who follow /all it’s very noisy, and seems to be getting worse by the day.

Once blacklisting has been implemented this shouldn’t be a problem anymore, but would there be any objection to unlinking it until then?

  • Dessalines
    link
    fedilink
    11
    edit-2
    3 years ago

    We already have allowlist and blocklisting, and lemmy.glasgow.social is explicitly on our allowlist. Don’t expect /c/all to be clean or curated in any way, as the lemmyverse grows it will become even more noisy. Just use subscribed or local for now if you want a clean front page.

    • @glennsl@lemmy.mlOP
      link
      fedilink
      73 years ago

      I mean per-user blacklisting of instances and communities. That way I can clean up /c/all on my own.

      In the meantime I ask if the instance should be linked at all as it doesn’t seem to provide any value, just noise.

      • Ravn
        link
        fedilink
        53 years ago

        It’ll be better when more people are up voting and down voting comments. Currently the hot sorting just mostly shows new posts with few or no comments or votes.

      • Dessalines
        link
        fedilink
        53 years ago

        User / community blocking is one of our bigger future issues, but for now just use subscribed. I don’t know if we wanna make the call to ban article spam that isn’t specifically advertising. Seems like a lot could get caught up in that.

        • @glennsl@lemmy.mlOP
          link
          fedilink
          03 years ago

          So what if a lot gets caught up in that? If it’s low quality noise, what value does it provide? I would argue it provides negative value of course. Not just because of the annoying noise, it also increases the likelihood that lemmy.ml itself gets treated as spam because it looks like it’s part of a link farm (and voting doesn’t fix that either, since crawlers don’t understand votes).

          Reddit has much stricter rules than what’s practiced here. See for example their FAQ entry on what constitutes spam and guidelines on self-promotion. I’ve been compiling a list of users who would be caught up by similar rules here, who regularly post low-quality self-promotional posts, don’t contribute in any meaningful way and who have posted in the last week or so. It counts 12 users at the moment, not including the Glasgow bots which would also be caught by these rules.

          I’m on the verge of giving up on lemmy.ml altogether because of all the noise. It provides less and less value for me, and judging by your response it seems unlikely to improve in the near future. Perhaps lemmy.ml isn’t for me then, but if so that’s a choice you’ve made. You chose bots and spammers over a quality contributor.

          • Kinetix
            link
            fedilink
            43 years ago

            So, you’re suggesting that because the admin of the Glasgow site is trying to build his instance in a particular way that doesn’t meet your measure of interest, it should be ‘dealt with’? What makes you believe that it’s self-promotion?

            • @glennsl@lemmy.mlOP
              link
              fedilink
              03 years ago

              I think if something is excessively noisy and interests virtually no one it should be addressed, yes. Exactly how and whether it’s practically feasible is a different question of course, but so far I’ve heard few actual arguments against what I propose. Feel free to share yours if you have any, otherwise I’d appreciate if you don’t just try to shut down discussion.

              What makes you believe that it’s self-promotion?

              I don’t, and I didn’t specifically propose rules against self-promotion as a way to address this, but it does seem like it would fall under Reddit’s rules. And quite frankly I don’t see a problem with that.

              • Kinetix
                link
                fedilink
                03 years ago

                I asked a couple of pointed questions, I’m not sure how it’s trying to shut down discussion. However, what I see is “I don’t like what’s going on here, it’s annoying me, somebody please do something!”, and then when you’ve been given the information on how little it actually affects everyone and how to avoid it, you want to throw your toys in the sandbox and run away.

                It seems pretty clear: a) the features you want are on the list of things to do, b) /c/all isn’t going to be the curated list of whatever you want it to be, and c) if want to curate your own Lemmy right now, you can always run your own instance. You stated your opinion. Great, move on, there’s not really any debate to be had that I can see. (Yes, that could well be viewed as trying to shut down “discussion”, as I don’t think there’s much really to be had now)

                • @glennsl@lemmy.mlOP
                  link
                  fedilink
                  13 years ago

                  What is you point then, really? If not to shut down discussion. Is your point that no question should be raised unless one is already certain that the majority is one one’s side? Or are you just here to spread bile in general?

                  There are clearly people who agree, or at least invite discussion. And perhaps more who disagree. Fine. But simply counting votes fall prey to survivorship bias. Those who vote are those who “survived”. Who haven’t already left or who might have joined but didn’t. If the aim is to grow, merely going by the opinion of those already here is a dead end.

                  Perhaps you should take your own advice. If you don’t like this discussion, fine, move on. Goodbye.

                • @SirLotsaLocks@lemmy.ml
                  link
                  fedilink
                  13 years ago

                  yeah I agree. I don’t entirely agree with glasgows methods but tbh I do tend to come to sites like these for updates and discussion, and having regular posts about on-topic things to my area would be really nice. this doesn’t create discussion unfortunately and thats why I personally don’t think this is 100% the way to go I do think its a valid option and there’s no reason to penalize it considering having different policies on this kind of the whole point of self hosting and federation anyways.

  • @seven@lemmy.glasgow.social
    link
    fedilink
    73 years ago

    Hey guys, I’m the admin at lemmy.glasgow.social, just been made aware of this post. I wanted to respond:

    I want people to use, for example, https://lemmy.glasgow.social/c/strathbungo as a place to discuss the Strathbungo area in Glasgow - and I’m actively trying to introduce people to the platform.

    Until people are made aware of that particular community and it fills with relevant user supplied content, there is a bot that sumarises the RSS feed of a local website (The Bungo Blog) - I was planning to add any other sources that were relevant.

    Maybe this isn’t how I should be using Lemmy, it just made sense to me as a way to attract people as a good resource.

    I’m more than happy to tag these accounts as bots, or make the posts local only - or whatever I’m able to do (now, or when it’s made available) - just let me know, thanks!

    • @glennsl@lemmy.mlOP
      link
      fedilink
      33 years ago

      Hey. Thanks for joining in.

      I certainly don’t want to tell you how to run your own instance, but speaking for myself, if I were interested in the Glasgow area the bots would have the opposite effect on me. It’s like filling up a street with cars to create “life”. It does certainly create movement, but not what I would in any way call “street life”. I don’t want to interact with cars, or people in cars, and the noise it brings detracts from all other positive aspects of the street. In more practical terms I think it’ll also spread the discussion too thin.

      But even if it was a good way to attract and engage people, I think it might still be too early to federate the instance. Once there’s better filtering tools in place it should fine, but as of now it really overwhelms all other instances. Even if I filter out other instances there’s apparently a bug where I get Glasgow posts anyway…

      • @seven@lemmy.glasgow.social
        link
        fedilink
        33 years ago

        That’s a fair point.

        I’ve disabled about 90% of the automated posts (the majority were coming from Glasgow news/football sites) as of now - the ones that are kept are from a couple blogs etc - I don’t expect more than 1 post from them every week or two. But I’ll keep an eye on them and disable any that post more/too often.

        As soon as we have the functionality to tag accounts as ‘bot’ etc too - I’ll make sure that happens as well.