• fluxx1@lemm.ee
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    9 天前

    The wording is bad. But here, we’re talking about banning the ban, ie. it’s the children who are banned. In principle, I don’t mind banning the ban, this feels like discrimination against the children and people with children. But I have children, so I’m biased that way. Of course, uncivilized behavior should not be tolerated, be it children or adults.

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      9 天前

      I’m aware of the wording.

      Thing is, as the commissioner said themselves, kids are gonna make noise. And I’m perfectly fine with that, as part of their growing up. But peace & quiet is a fundamental right, that’s why I’m not allowed to play the drums at 3 AM. And sometimes, just for a week of two of holiday, I wouldn’t mind it all day long. In fact, I kinda need to zone out of the real world for a bit once in a while, and that’s a luxury I’m willing to pay for.

      But you can’t call quiet environments a luxury and then ban providing it. Drinking alcohol is also a luxury. You can’t expect to do it everywhere, but you certainly can ban kids from entering an area where alcohol is expected to be served. And if you’re going to a theme park, don’t expect either luxury, because that’s a place where children are prioritised.

      Only thing I’ld argue is that if you’re banning kids due to noise, you gotta ban all noise.

    • blarghly@lemmy.world
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      9 天前

      But I have children, so I’m biased that way.

      That was your choice. People should be able to go places and not have to hang out with your kids.

      • fluxx1@lemm.ee
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        8 天前

        Now, why would you make it personal. Why my kids? I wouldn’t want my kids to hang near a person like you (I actually don’t care, but just so you know that it hurts when people say it like that). My point is, this is not a simple question to discuss and the least it needs is dragging it to a personal level. A more important question is should this even be regulated? And where do you draw the line? Like, I don’t think it’s a good idea to allow children in unsafe places and in places that exposes them to nudity or explicit content, but I would also very much object if I wasn’t allowed to a certain restaurant with a kid, but the pets are allowed. Where is the line? Certain age? Certain gender? Skin color? Pet? At which point is it discrimination? In the end, this comes out as a sort of positive discrimination to make people with children feel less alienated and unwelcome. As a guy with kids, I can tell you I’ve felt that way too many times. I would certainly not want to ruin anyone’s good time and in fact - my kids behave in that way. I don’t like being disallowed to take my kids anywhere, though I’m certainly not going to take them to places I don’t feel they belong. Children should be allowed in more places, but children should not be allowed to behave any different than any normal adult - if you make noise, you’re out, just like a drunk obnoxious guest, for example. Unfortunately, it’s a similar situation like with people with pets. People who are the least responsible are the first to take their pets/children where they should not go. It’s the parents who are a problem, not children. Not pets.