• rumba@lemmy.zip
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    Completely unrealistic. They’ve never have the word ice on their uniforms.

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      Then everything is going according to their plan.
      If we never fight back, they can keep doing as they please with no resistance.

      “The revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it”.

      The problem is, they’re already doing it right now and we don’t even have a rebellion to show for it.
      If I’m going to get gunned down in the streets, I want to have earned it.

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          Peaceful protests work best when non-peaceful resistance exists.

          MLK needed Malcom X and a handful of people willing to sacrifice their lives.

          No social change in history occurred without bloodshed. Morally it is wrong to kill in all cases except self-defense. And people who feel their lives/rights are in danger will act in “self-defense”

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            Absolutely.

            Northern Irish Civil Rights movement had the IRA. Women’s Suffrage had the Suffregetes

            All of these movements allowed the peaceful side to present the same terms:

            ‘You deal with me or you deal with the other guy.’

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            RFK wants to send me to a wellness farm. Also, the black dude down the street, just because.

            I think the choice to conflict has been made for me, and I should get ready to fight. That means training, and joining up with whoever else who wants to die on their home’s soil. I am not going to El Salvador.

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          I’m not saying that at all, I’m just trying to say don’t discourage people from doing it again or more often

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          Those protests did nothing but reinforce the alt-right’s understanding of how weak the opposition is.

          The No Kings “protests” were easily ignored and inconvenienced nobody. Would have been weak for even GWB-era opposition.

          You’re doing nothing. And everyone’s watching you.

          Save your:

          it’s not that easy

          what do you expect me to do

          it would be a huge personal risk

          I might lose my shitty job that I hate

          keyboard warrior!

          I’m not going to do _____ for my country despite my country loudly insisting for decades that doing _____ is its entire personality

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        Yeah. If they come for me I’m gonna make sure that they’re not the only ones bringing guns to the fight. That doesn’t mean I’ll do any damage to them, but I’m screwed either way.

        If enough people do that, enough of us will get lucky shots in before we get dropped. We have the numbers on our side.

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      this is basically what I picture in my head whenever I hear people around here talking about taking on the government in a revolt it’s not that I don’t want to do that but this is what I imagine will happen

      It’s why you don’t usually do revolts spontaneously and unorganised. Revolts and revolutions are carried by historical moments of general uprising, but those are then organised and directed by groups that enable people to do more than just, well, be killed, or burn down the neighbourhood. It also, depending on the circumstances, will include fucked up shit like this happening, and what happens next is then determined if the reaction to it is outrage, further organisation and potentially violence, or fear and disorganisation.

      Vanquishing hope is often part of propaganda aims. And the idea that revolutions happen in some spontaneous “the people just standing up” way is part of that propaganda, because that usually only works for system changes with significant support already within the ruling class. To win a revolution, you need to be able to block logistics centres, sabotage infrastructure, take over communication channels, convince, outmanoeuvre or fight military and (militarised) police, organise international connections, have connections within status-quo power structures - and all that requires networking, organisation and varying degrees of concrete planning beyond spontaneous actions, with varying degrees of secrecy.

      Not believing in that even as a possibility can also become a self-fulfilling prophecy - of course the ones going out will be shot if most people stay home in face of violent repression. Meanwhile, it is understandable to have doubts - truth is that a lot of revolutionary movements are grown through bloodshed and escalation - a whole lot easier to make the decision to organise, ironically, if you are already being persecuted and friends are in prison or dead and you feel like the system you are in has nothing to give you, besides the non-guaranteed mercy to be allowed to live if they allow you to.

      So, if you do want to do that, don’t go out on the street on your own, network with other people, accept that those organisations will not be perfect and that there will be setbacks and terror and hardships, but remind yourself that it is in fact historically proven for revolutions to not be an utterly lost cause.

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      That’s not at all how it works. The point is to be ungovernable…the way all insurgents defeat the US military everywhere they go.

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      Its part of it. That old man dies and those ice agents go back home to get on their knees for their wonderful life they live.

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        Yeah, but the key is: the old man is a Holocaust survivor.

        He knows going in they might kill him, or worse. He knows fascism, death camps, and secret police.

        If they kill him, he knows there’ll be a massive public outcry: “ICE agents murder elderly Holocaust survivor.” The agents’ names and faces will be all over the news, and there will be sob stories from his family and friends. ICE will be publicly compared to Nazis. The agents themselves will be identified and outed even if mainstream media doesn’t focus on it.

        And he knows that the guys with guns are too stupid to realize HE has set THEM up for a trap.

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    5 + 2 is 7, so this tattoo says 7767.

    7 + 6 is 13, so with a bit of extrapolation this tattoo says 131313, obviously a reference to the gang.

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    I’d rather die like the guy in the comic strip than if cancer someday. Going it opposing Nazis surely gets you into Valhalla.