• vala@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    The argument is that capitalism directly and basically infallibly leads to fascism. It’s not supposed to, but it’s a consistent emergent behaviour of the system.

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      1 day ago

      Feel free to demonstrate this with some data, and don’t ignore the fact that Communism and Socialism has never produced anything other than Fascism while Capitalism is the economic model most used by Democratic countries.

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        8 hours ago

        I don’t need to ignore any facts about communism or socialism because I didn’t bring them up and they are immaterial to this conversation. I don’t know why you even brought that up here.

        Its a very complex topic, but honestly also self evident if you look around. The successful EU/Scandinavian countries who are “capitalist” are also falling into fascism as we speak. The only reason they held it off so long was laws that inhibit capitalism from doing as much damage as it wants to.

        The system of capitalism encourages (almost demands) antisocial, sociopathic behaviour to emerge. The ultimate result of this is always the same.

        This is too big of a topic to start an explanation from scratch in this thread. But it’s also something that is very well discussed online and written about a lot. This isn’t my idea personally.

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          Capitalists lose under both Socialism and Fascism. Neither Political structure benefits a pure Capitalist because both systems impose heavy regulation on the free market which is anti Capitalist.

          Capitalism and Fascism do not work together. Capitalism and Socialism do not work together.

          The prior because Fascists impose heavy regulation on the markets to benefit themselves, and the latter because Socialism is a Socioeconomic ideology which replaces the need for Capitalism within it.

          I don’t need to ignore any facts about communism or socialism because I didn’t bring them up and they are immaterial to this conversation. I don’t know why you even brought that up here.

          I bring it up because that is what you responded to originally.

          Its a very complex topic, but honestly also self evident if you look around. The successful EU/Scandinavian countries who are “capitalist” are also falling into fascism as we speak. The only reason they held it off so long was laws that inhibit capitalism from doing as much damage as it wants to.

          What system do you propose?

          The system of capitalism encourages (almost demands) antisocial, sociopathic behaviour to emerge. The ultimate result of this is always the same.

          This is too big of a topic to start an explanation from scratch in this thread. But it’s also something that is very well discussed online and written about a lot. This isn’t my idea personally.

          Assuming I am unread instead of engaging me on the topic does not make a good faith argument against what I have said.