Lemmy.ml is mostly Marxists, so it’s fairly understandable that you’re getting some pushback for sharing an explicitly anti-communist piece. I presume you’d get less pushback if it was just a pro-anarchist piece, but it’s like you were deliberately trying to spark a fight.
good to know. maybe don’t host an anarchist forum so people don’t pick it from the drop down menu on other instances and then get met with hostile american dengists
it’s not anti communist in the slightest btw unless you’re taking the word ‘authoritarian’ as a smear against you for some reason. it doesn’t even mention communism
edit: and the idea that posting an anti-authoritarian piece on a supposedly anarchist forum is ‘picking a fight’ is so ironic i won’t even touch it
The anarchism comm on Lemmy.ml is for anarchists, yes, but that doesn’t mean your content is going to be hidden from Marxists. Again, deliberately attacking Marxists on an instance with a lot of them would get a similar reaction to a Marxist posting an anti-anarchist meme on dbzer0, as an example, even if it was a Marxist community.
It’s very clearly not for anarchists if anarchists can’t use it to talk about anarchism without being dogpiled by salty dengists who get offended by the idea of anarchists opposing authority i.e. the definition of anarchy
By random I mean you had a sneering revelation in the shower where you decided ‘yeah! they’re all like that!’ probably because none of the people listed are calling for the overthrow of China, so you switched from using ‘Stalinist’
It’s for anarchists, but again, more Marxists browse Lemmy.ml than anarchists do, so when you post an anti-Marxist post, even if it’s on an anarchist community, you’re going to get more attention from Marxists. Communities on instances are more like hashtags than actual communities, in my experience. Also, no idea why you’re bringing up Deng, this post attacks Marxism in general.
it’s not for anarchists. source: i’m an anarchist. there are no anarchists here. and again, it’s not anti-marxist just because it mentions not letting “authoritarians” tell you to grow up a couple of times and mentions that Marxists are “opponents” to anarchists. that’s you projecting. I’m bringing up Dengists because I know Dengists when I see them.
It’s tragically ironic that anarchists are so often scolded by condescending authoritarians for being “infantile,” especially when we consider the historical context: no authoritarian regime has ever fostered the conditions necessary for genuine liberation. Are we really expected to believe that future authoritarian systems, following the same tired script, will succeed when every single one has historically exhibited a pattern of dismal failure and a litany of atrocities? Such a belief seems far more naive than the idealistic principles championed by anarchists.
The centralization of power in a single authority not only undermines individual autonomy but also infantilizes the very individuals it purports to protect. By relegating people to a subordinate status as dependents of the state, these systems strip them of agency and responsibility, suggesting that ordinary workers are incapable of making their own decisions. This dynamic adds another layer of irony to the common critique of anarchism, as it is the authoritarian structures that foster dependency, fear of change, and social and political immaturity. In stark contrast, the anarchist vision promotes a world grounded in self-sufficiency through mutual aid, freedom of association, and voluntary cooperation.
This section is pretty nakedly anti-Marxist, and again, I don’t see why Deng is relevant here when this is against all branches of Marxism.
I don’t see why Deng is relevant here when this is against all branches of Marxism
They’re calling us Dengists because most of us support China (even after Deng’s post-Mao market reforms) as a socialist project, but since modern China is one of the Great Evil Authoritarian states by their reckoning, the term is meant as a pejorative. It’s basically “tankie” but with anti-Chinese characteristics.
I’m sure you’re right, just wanted to tease the fact that they are just being anti-communist in general out. Hiding behind being “anti-Dengist” is a pejorative of convenience for them, but all of their issues apply to Marxism broadly.
Again, you’re projecting. That you see the word “authoritarian regime” and immediately feel victimized says a lot more about you than me. It’s talking about all authoritarian regimes from Nazi Germany to Fascist USA to Terf Island and beyond. Anarchists saying authoritarian states haven’t liberated people historically is not a personal attack on you.
It’s pretty clearly hinting at those who would use the state to uplift the working class, making way for the gradual withering of the state alongside class, ie Marxists. It also directly talks about centralization, ie collectivizing production in the hands of all of society, a distinctly Marxist viewpoint.
Lemmy.ml is mostly Marxists, so it’s fairly understandable that you’re getting some pushback for sharing an explicitly anti-communist piece. I presume you’d get less pushback if it was just a pro-anarchist piece, but it’s like you were deliberately trying to spark a fight.
good to know. maybe don’t host an anarchist forum so people don’t pick it from the drop down menu on other instances and then get met with hostile american dengists
it’s not anti communist in the slightest btw unless you’re taking the word ‘authoritarian’ as a smear against you for some reason. it doesn’t even mention communism
edit: and the idea that posting an anti-authoritarian piece on a supposedly anarchist forum is ‘picking a fight’ is so ironic i won’t even touch it
The anarchism comm on Lemmy.ml is for anarchists, yes, but that doesn’t mean your content is going to be hidden from Marxists. Again, deliberately attacking Marxists on an instance with a lot of them would get a similar reaction to a Marxist posting an anti-anarchist meme on dbzer0, as an example, even if it was a Marxist community.
It’s very clearly not for anarchists if anarchists can’t use it to talk about anarchism without being dogpiled by salty dengists who get offended by the idea of anarchists opposing authority i.e. the definition of anarchy
I’m going to pick a random marxist tendency out of a hat to sound quirky
if by random you mean the tendency followed by lemmy’s developers, the entire lemmygrad base and hexbear, yes
By random I mean you had a sneering revelation in the shower where you decided ‘yeah! they’re all like that!’ probably because none of the people listed are calling for the overthrow of China, so you switched from using ‘Stalinist’
It’s for anarchists, but again, more Marxists browse Lemmy.ml than anarchists do, so when you post an anti-Marxist post, even if it’s on an anarchist community, you’re going to get more attention from Marxists. Communities on instances are more like hashtags than actual communities, in my experience. Also, no idea why you’re bringing up Deng, this post attacks Marxism in general.
it’s not for anarchists. source: i’m an anarchist. there are no anarchists here. and again, it’s not anti-marxist just because it mentions not letting “authoritarians” tell you to grow up a couple of times and mentions that Marxists are “opponents” to anarchists. that’s you projecting. I’m bringing up Dengists because I know Dengists when I see them.
you’re ziq lol
Good god would you stop whinging
This section is pretty nakedly anti-Marxist, and again, I don’t see why Deng is relevant here when this is against all branches of Marxism.
They’re calling us Dengists because most of us support China (even after Deng’s post-Mao market reforms) as a socialist project, but since modern China is one of the Great Evil Authoritarian states by their reckoning, the term is meant as a pejorative. It’s basically “tankie” but with anti-Chinese characteristics.
I’m sure you’re right, just wanted to tease the fact that they are just being anti-communist in general out. Hiding behind being “anti-Dengist” is a pejorative of convenience for them, but all of their issues apply to Marxism broadly.
Again, you’re projecting. That you see the word “authoritarian regime” and immediately feel victimized says a lot more about you than me. It’s talking about all authoritarian regimes from Nazi Germany to Fascist USA to Terf Island and beyond. Anarchists saying authoritarian states haven’t liberated people historically is not a personal attack on you.
It’s pretty clearly hinting at those who would use the state to uplift the working class, making way for the gradual withering of the state alongside class, ie Marxists. It also directly talks about centralization, ie collectivizing production in the hands of all of society, a distinctly Marxist viewpoint.